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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 152 |
About the origins of c64 demoscene
It almost feels to me that C64 demoscene is somewhat younger than the Amiga demoscene. Would that be (historically) correct thing to say? Not by much, but kinda couple of years.
Many of the screens and effects often seen on C64 seem to have done earlier on the Amiga. (like 1986 vs. 1988) - This doesn't surprise me, since Copper makes raster programming so much more pleasant. But C64 setup was still a pretty usable in late 1980s, and much cheaper too, so I wonder if the C64 demoscene did start by trying to imitate stuff seen on Amiga? I mean just a random example of a 1986 Amiga intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg96m76o7JA |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 328 |
Quote:prove it first.
Wrong.
Nobody pulled the statement "The demo scene emanates from the cracking scene" out of his/her nose.
1) It says so on Wikipedia. That doesn't mean it's right. But it's on you to disprove it. You can also edit the Wikipedia page like anyone else.
2) It also says so in a few research papers / books. That also doesn't mean it's right, but it's on you to disprove it.
3) It says so in a dozen interviews / personal recounts. That also doesn't mean it's right, but it's on you to disprove it.
(1), (2) and (3) make it "common knowledge" or "informed best guess". You need to disprove that to plant a different "informed best guess" in its place. That's how it works.
Until then it's your opinion against "common knowledge". |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5126 |
Quote: Quote:prove it first.
Wrong.
Nobody pulled the statement "The demo scene emanates from the cracking scene" out of his/her nose.
1) It says so on Wikipedia. That doesn't mean it's right. But it's on you to disprove it. You can also edit the Wikipedia page like anyone else.
2) It also says so in a few research papers / books. That also doesn't mean it's right, but it's on you to disprove it.
3) It says so in a dozen interviews / personal recounts. That also doesn't mean it's right, but it's on you to disprove it.
(1), (2) and (3) make it "common knowledge" or "informed best guess". You need to disprove that to plant a different "informed best guess" in its place. That's how it works.
Until then it's your opinion against "common knowledge".
Same way I can say demoscene doesnt comes from crack scene because Oswald and Krill says so in csdb (it doesnt mean its right but you have to disprove it), and thus it is common knowledge. (1) and (2)
:D
you came empty handed man. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 328 |
Here's the link man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene
until you edit it, all you're doing is trolling. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5126 |
Quote: Here's the link man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene
until you edit it, all you're doing is trolling.
here is the link to csdb where Oswald says it otherwise, https://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=7&topicid=166812&showallposts=1
and you need to disprove it. until you dont you're trolling. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 460 |
Regarding "scene": This is like trying to determine when consciousness emerged :). Regarding influence of stuff possible on a platform a to platform b, I'd just follow the timeline of hardware availability and when it got popular among programmers. Hardware -> style of effects. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 328 |
Well, OK Oswald J. Trump. You won another thread. You're the bestest! |
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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 152 |
Quote: Regarding "scene": This is like trying to determine when consciousness emerged :). Regarding influence of stuff possible on a platform a to platform b, I'd just follow the timeline of hardware availability and when it got popular among programmers. Hardware -> style of effects.
That's exactly what I mean! |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5126 |
Quote: Well, OK Oswald J. Trump. You won another thread. You're the bestest!
yes, not in a nice way, but I am showing you, why your arguments are worthless. prove it with facts, and not by pointing to other opinions.
Krill must be closest to the truth, that they evolved side by side at the same time.
Otherwise imho its a myth by crackers wanting some credit from the demoscene.
first intros and demos are at the same time. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 328 |
Quote:its a myth by crackers wanting some credit from the demoscene.
Oooooh, it's a conspiracy. Now I get it. Thanks man! I bet those evil crackers are being financed by Soros. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1990 |
Go code a demo ALL OF YOU - no further derailing here |
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