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2009-04-30 07:36
cba

Registered: Apr 2002
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History of Crunchers & Packers

I am very curious what crackers from back in the day used for crunching or packing their releases.
Self made ones I can only assume. Are any of them available here at csdb ?

I am talking about the very first ones like :

1103
ABC Crackings
Mr.Z

The period before 1986 , so before the Card Cruncher from the 1001 crew

Anyone here who knows more about this ?
 
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2009-05-01 21:07
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1724
Quote: Wasn't Sledgehammer V1.2 originally called Sledger?

There's mentions of 1001 inside Sledger V1.0 so I guess no. ($113c)
This is also based on Sledgehammer IIRC: MT Crunch VII.
2009-05-02 02:57
The Shadow

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304
Within texts of 1980s releases from the Beastie Boys mostly, I remember something about Matcham being part of The Stand. There is no entry here for The Stand. Was this a group or some other form of expression?
2009-05-02 11:54
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1724
Quote: Within texts of 1980s releases from the Beastie Boys mostly, I remember something about Matcham being part of The Stand. There is no entry here for The Stand. Was this a group or some other form of expression?

Matcham Time Cruncher III [The Stand] says in the intro scroller:
"TIME CRUNCHER III - SPECIAL VERSION FOR THE STAND!!!"
From the text it seems that The Stand's real name is Stig which is a common Norwegian (and Swedish) first name.
2009-05-03 14:50
SIDWAVE
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Posts: 2238
Matcham was in Network, nothing else..
2009-05-03 14:54
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11146
gotta love the uninformed BS someone wrote into his entry: "Matcham is the grandfather and creator of the idea behind the programming within all crunchers we know in the world today. He realized the possibility of sequence crunching. He programmed this idea into actuality. He is the engineer of the original Time Crunch. His creation evolved into many powerful crunchers on the C=64 and eventually to the modern compression systems used in PC and Macintosh computers"

lol
2009-05-03 15:20
Graham
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Posts: 990
Matcham invented "crunching"? Then why is LZ77 called LZ -> 77 <-?
2009-05-04 05:50
ΛΛdZ

Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 153
Packer 64 seems to be from 1984.
Packer 64

Maybe this was one of the first public packers ?

2009-05-04 08:33
A Life in Hell
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 204
Quote: Matcham invented "crunching"? Then why is LZ77 called LZ -> 77 <-?


Not to mention that his name is ostensibly neither Lempil nor Ziv ;)
2009-05-04 12:36
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1724
Quote: Packer 64 seems to be from 1984.
Packer 64

Maybe this was one of the first public packers ?



This program only compresses basic programs. It does so by removing spaces and utilizing the max line length.
2009-05-04 12:40
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1724
Quote: Not to mention that his name is ostensibly neither Lempil nor Ziv ;)

Seriously though, does anybody know which paper first described the use of bit compressed offset/length pairs?
The most common usage seems to be LZ77 with entropy coding in separate steps IIRC.
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