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2009-04-30 07:36
cba

Registered: Apr 2002
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History of Crunchers & Packers

I am very curious what crackers from back in the day used for crunching or packing their releases.
Self made ones I can only assume. Are any of them available here at csdb ?

I am talking about the very first ones like :

1103
ABC Crackings
Mr.Z

The period before 1986 , so before the Card Cruncher from the 1001 crew

Anyone here who knows more about this ?
 
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2009-05-04 13:19
cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 933
Check : http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/chacking/c=hacking16.txt

"Milestones of C64 Data Compression"
2009-05-04 20:12
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
I once had a go at some Huffmann algo myself, but failed miserably when trying to think of a way to store the 'tree' in the memory of the C64 :)
2009-05-05 08:51
yago

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 332
morse-code can be considered one of the first packers
2009-05-05 11:35
SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238
Morse code doesnt pack, it extends.
S (1 char) -> ... (3 chars)
2009-05-05 11:47
Graham
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Posts: 990
No it converts a 26 character alphabet into a 3 character alphabet with character length depending on how often the letter is used.
2009-05-05 12:34
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1724
That's quite similar to Huffman with a static tree when you think about it. :)
2021-08-15 00:22
Catweazle
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I analyzed and heavily improved the matcham time-cruncher V4 or V5 for my own demos and released it as the "News-Packer" under the fun pseudo name "Sado-Maso-Marketing" at this time Catweazle/Alcoholics.

The News-Packer could show the disc contents by pressing the $ sign to find the names, had an incredible amount of different decruncing effects and some new and improved crunch modes with much better efficiency or much better speed and you could compress files with nearly full ram usage - also the shadowed RAM.

This cruncher was far beyond of its time using a very special way of run-length encoding with some extraordinary ideas and technology never heard and seen before and this motivated myself to learn everything about compression and into creating my own crunchers with special speed-up tables later on Amiga and PC. I also developed different hyperspeed technologies (some were much quicker and more efficient than quick hashing with much better memory usage!) for compression. From time to time I also nowadays read of new technologies and try them out for comparison reasons just for fun. Cruncher Tech and encryption/decryption is still a very interesting hobby for me.

I´m rather sure the next step afterwards impressing me was the cruel cruncher. But I did never dive into its code working on my own algorithms. Perhaps someone knows more about how it worked in detail?
2021-08-15 01:00
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11146
News Packer V1.0? Are you sure this isnt a textimprovement of Timercruncher v4? :)
2021-08-15 01:55
Zyron

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381
*brings the popcorn*
2021-08-15 09:56
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136
actually an hack of Matcham Time Cruncher V3.1
the decruncher code is altered to use different zp locations ($61-64 instead of $a6-a9) and of course it has an improved user interface, but that's it.
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