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SIDWAVE
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Gravenreuth
What exactly did this man do as a lawyer ?
Any clue why he shot himself ?
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 459 |
The same stuff as in the 80s - lawyer with speciality in copyright.
He got his previliges taken as lawyer after he got 14 months of prison because of fraud. |
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Jon
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Could someone clue us non-Germans in as to why this guy seems to be considered such a villain? What is his connection to the C64 scene? I ran a translator over his Wiki page and that news report, but I am still in the dark over who and what this guy was.
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
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He was the guy who busted several sceners in Germany in the 80s and 90s. Most famous for the Tanja letters where he asked to swap and if people responded they were busted |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCxz-V-WYTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6nTR148JfE |
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Marauder/GSS
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According to Steffen Wernery, one of the founders of Chaos Computer Club, he committed suicide due to financial problems, the 14 months of jail he had to go, the possible cancer, relationship problems and the lost of his "social environment"... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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or in other words: life fucked him from behind with a strap on.
finally.
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Marauder/GSS
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yep... maybe conscience-stricken... :P |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
Non germans might like the trivia:
Gravenreuth was one of the very first (early 1986 I assume) lawyers in germany messing(*) with copyright issues on a large scale and even sent letters (of course no disks) to potential swappers and ask them for game copies. Adding girlie pictures and letters making answers more likely - which of course led to a notice you had to sign and pay for the efforts. If you refused you'd be taken to court. Something many will never forget are the luring wrong letters in the first place though.
In his "career" he was a true scener indeed and attended several parties though he didnt release much.
C64, Amiga, PC and net community - to me it seems he just left out consoles.
* messing = getting doubtful laws apply to early copyright infringements, have it fixed by a smaller courts (references) and such - when these issues were so new mostly that very early laws just didnt apply or were insufficient
And my personal opinion if anybody cares: rot in hell, bastard! Even catholics can hardly speak against that since suicide is a sin. :)
He let the cops bust my board 17 years ago and ever since I had to resist from making illegal backups of software just to stay clean. Busted for Amiga AGA *Patches* - pffff!
No - he didnt get any money from me but the defending lawyer got a little.
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
Count Zero: Thanx for the 64'er scans.
Quite impressive and scary that he continued with the 'tanja' letters on the c64 in 94, even after 64'er had a large article series about him in 93.
Two dutch articles covering that "holland-connection"
http://www.trouw.nl/krantenarchief/1994/07/23/2642540/_Nou_doei..
http://www.trouw.nl/krantenarchief/1994/08/11/2645659/Duitse_co.. |
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Marauder/GSS
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Registered: Jul 2006
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ha, never saw this Kill Guenni before... must be 90's or?
guess he was faster then... |
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