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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
Downloads and votes and the public
We in offence got this mail, and also several others like it in meaning... I think this is something we could have a talk about as it is something that is a bit important. It really is, because there are so many people out there actually liking the things we do create. CSDB is a hangaround place where we get away from the rest of the world maybe but could we do something with this in future?
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Hey,
can you forward this to Ole Marius?
He said that "hundreds of people download tunes to check them out, but only 20 or so care to vote" about the Highscore Ballad Compo. Well ... I know why! You can't get an account at CSDb unless you can call yourself active in the scene, so lots and lots and lots of people out there will never have an account (= can't vote) because they don't know how to code / to make a SID / whatever. And since I don't have an account either, I can't tell him that ... :)
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Just something I think is important to talk about.... |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
STE'86: I'm not interested in philosophical debates. I believe in numbers and facts. That's why I asked if there actually WAS some compo organised that could be taken as a case study or how to put it.
Yes, organising compo directly on CSDB is not a good idea, as it doesn't have infrastructure for such purpose (yet). You can use it the way it was used with the "Highscore power ballad compo", but as you correctly pointed out, it is closed for wider audience. But it doesn't matter for me, because I organise(d) compos outside CSDB.
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And as far as brave new world is concerned. There are the tools and services for maintream, everyone is allowed to explore the possibilities.
Goto80 does, and he does quite interesting things although that last performance "A musical performed with C64s, a band, and PETSCII visuals. World first! http://youtu.be/fQEw602X6F0 " was a bit hard to digest (for me).
Maybe 0,1% of stuff that gets done have chance to reach (more or less) mainstream audience and go viral (although combined media production has higher potential than pure C64 excecutable stuff). All it needs is to use the existing mainstream channels available (youtube, facebook, soundcloud.. whatever).
I don't believe general population will give a fuck about C64 scene database, community whatever you name it when it get's less strict towards building of the user base (although I think it wouldn't hurt if having account here and posting to forums would be easy, but getting access to editing of database would need moderators approval). And if by any chance general population gets more interested towards it, I'm sure the feelings of C64 scene will be rather mixed. What I hate(d) about lemon forums was tons of people talking about C64 instead of doing anything with it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
Quote:why don't you try a compo on there
or why dont YOU ?
Quote:I find it quite bizarre that on CSDB people who have typed in some text or downloaded an unprotected digital copy of a new game and passed it to someone else via email to "crack" are "sceners" and can vote, but rabid c64 fans who know more than I do about it's history and games and download and BUY everything they can are somehow not worthy.
a) the least important thing on csdb are votes b) the most important thing on csdb are the people who actually create or do something with their c64
and MY vote still goes for removing all the voting crap alltogether, its useless and hardly ever shows decent results anyways. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
ok, lets ignore the votes and say...
they aren't allowed to POST either.
so anyone who may be actually interested in doing something c64 related can't talk to anyone directly on here because they haven't already done something on the c64.
catch 22. you can't actively encourage new blood if they can't talk to you.
now maybe some of you were abducted by aliens early in life and empowered with a full working knowledge of the c64.
The rest of us however gained experience and knowledge in the 80's by TALKING to people actually doing it. like for instance COMPUNET :).
lets face it the forums on here are hardly rip roaring busy and could do with a shot in the arm.
and finally yes forums do get many many people who talk about doing things and never do/finish them Lemon is full it atm, and this place has its fair share. the database is full of half done game demos from the last 25 years too.
is a 2 tier access system possible with the current setup? posting and voting but not database access? that would solve everyones objections I think |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
Quote:they aren't allowed to POST either.
wrong. you assume too much. actually we are not very strict when it comes to granting access and everyone who is able to point out that he is actually interested in doing something with his c64 (other than downloading games and playing them) gets an account. actually most of the time the reason for turning down a signup request is that the person gave a self description that reads like "OMG LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!". someone writing "i am interested in coding a game and need to talk to someone for advice" will almost certainly get an account too. (and there have been a few such cases in the recent past) and someone writing "OMG I AM ELITE CRAXXOR FROM 1988 LET ME IN I NEED AXXS!!!" will certainly not if that is all he says =P |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
ah right, i'll take your word for it then and just tell Paul Carter (logikstate) who is a current games developer and retro nut, that he was just unlucky or typed the wrong phrase into his 4 or 5 requests to join CSDB.
CreamD however was nice enough to let him in when I asked. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
"posting and voting but not database access?"
Hooray :) we already have that. Images get more votes than downloads quite easily :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
believe it or not, for some reason some people are unable to give a proper selfdescription even after explicitly being told what to write =P that indeed happened more than once (and we cant really do anything about it either).
and please get your facts straight. single mod can not let anyone in, its the same procedure always. and the person you are mentioning applied for an account at the beginning of 2011 and was granted access _immediatly_ (and his selfdescription was fine). then he applied *again* in the middle of 2012 for another account, and *that* wasnt granted access, simply because we dont allow double accounts. and if i interpret the logs correctly, at this point something with the site code screwed up - because i cant see details on that second account at all =P so thats probably why it took longer than normal. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
thanks for that then. thats all cleared up now. and PAL can now tell his people what they have to do to get access. We'll see how it goes now. cheers |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
Quote: believe it or not, for some reason some people are unable to give a proper selfdescription even after explicitly being told what to write =P that indeed happened more than once (and we cant really do anything about it either).
and please get your facts straight. single mod can not let anyone in, its the same procedure always. and the person you are mentioning applied for an account at the beginning of 2011 and was granted access _immediatly_ (and his selfdescription was fine). then he applied *again* in the middle of 2012 for another account, and *that* wasnt granted access, simply because we dont allow double accounts. and if i interpret the logs correctly, at this point something with the site code screwed up - because i cant see details on that second account at all =P so thats probably why it took longer than normal.
What about WEC mate?
Let the poor bastard back in! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
that is one of these cases where i'd totally agree IF we could make it so people can post but not screw up the db =P |
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