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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Proposed rule change
I would like to propose a rule change. If an admin is involved in posting in a thread they are not allowed to use their admin powers to delete posts, issue warnings or lock threads. This would help stop the situations where an admin who loses an argument can abuse their powers to remove the posts they personally disagree with.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:Unless you post a list of running costs and donations the only difference between "funding" and "donation" is the words
uh, its about "some" vs "all" still. and the difference between founding by the general public, and the founding by donations by some individuals.
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Yes, some vs all, read what I posted. Nobody here knows if the donations are covering the running costs for the whole site and if they stopped would the site stop also?
Also comparing this site to the Red Cross is somewhat crazy. It's much more like the torrent sites I mentioned earlier.
The Red Cross is funded in many ways, from the public directly by donations, by governments (so probably indirectly to some degree by the public again) but generally the "donations" (public) are from people with no vested interest apart from philanthropy, to massage their conscience for some reason or even a nice way to write off some tax.
This site, the donations are from people who are directly involved in the site, be it visiting it, downloading from it, creating the content for it. Just like those pesky torrent sites.
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting Groepaz i am a dickhead, and i be censoring whatever doesnt fit my twisted views. see? If all else fails, resort to sarcasm. Way to go chief. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Strike that, i think you might actually be serious about it. Which is even sadder. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:This site, the donations are from people who are directly involved in the site, be it visiting it, downloading from it, creating the content for it. Just like those pesky torrent sites.
exactly. ie not founded by the general public, but individuals.
as for the running costs and how much the site depends on donations - i guess everyone should be able to estimate what a damn rootserver in hungary costs (everyone knows how "fast" it is too =D)
Quote:i think you might actually be serious about it.
obviously
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Still totally missing the point. As I said, the Red Cross isn't funded by people with a vested interest, unless maybe they're planning on going to a war or disaster zone some time soon. Funded by one or millions doesn't matter in this instance IF the total running cost (or the cost of sustainability) is paid for by people who don't own the site. Those donations are made by those people so that a site they visit keeps running and so everyone else can come here.
Quote:CSDb is run on a voluntary basis, free to use for everyone and 100% non-profitable.
Sounds public to me.. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
I don't think we should blow this donations issue too much out of porportion.
Because thats not what it's really about. Also i don't think ragging around on Groepaz is very constructive either.
He was, in his own words, just being a dick. Which isn't very surprising. It's human.
I've said it before, I'll say it again :
I appreciate the time and work Groepaz and the other moderators put down for this site. And yes, i also found Oswalds nazi anaolgies to be quite offensive and those posts were rightly deleted.
Still, i think some of you mods need to seriously improve your social skills.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
as i said the red cross was just an example of one of countless organisations who work similar. they get donations and the donaters earn no right whatsoever because of that.
and no, "free to use" doesnt somehow mean "public". |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
oh man, i never thought it could turn that ugly. i will never criticise mods/admins again 'coz it's completely waste of time. plus, things go even worse. we had a single closed topic at the beginning. now we have two closed topics, deleted messages and a banned user. i take my words back, ok? |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Quote: as i said the red cross was just an example of one of countless organisations who work similar. they get donations and the donaters earn no right whatsoever because of that.
and no, "free to use" doesnt somehow mean "public".
It was a poor example just like the "private home" example. Both examples have been refuted. So the point still stands, this is not a "private" board as claimed by some. |
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