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Merman
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 140 |
Transparent votes?
There's been a lot of "discussion" in the one-liner box about whether voting should be transparent, i.e. you can see who voted (and their vote's value).
I feel that things should stay as they are, just the number of votes and "weighted" vote shown for each entry. That would save all the arguments "why did you vote low for me?" or "he/she is a lamer, they voted low for me/my release"
What do others think? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Just a few comments:
1. Please publish results of the votes.
2. Please make non-anynymity default. In my opinion it will show respect to people who aren't afraid to show their opinion publicly.
3. Please, try to estimate how many people who voted actually are sceners and how many of the votes are from accounts which by your estimate could be fake.
4. How many people who voted at least 20-30 votes are from such accounts?
5. In private.
thanx in advance,
roman |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
I liked the idea of shoing all votes or open votes. Maybe also an option to just show the anonymous votes too?
TDJ:What do you mean? I see it as an opportunity for people to use votes they are more comfortable with. Some people don't trust anonymous votes so with this option they can have them disregarded.
I don't know what is to be gained from excluding entries from votes. Simply don't look at the votes or when looking at the chart, move all productions under it up 1. Do you want to remove the chance for people to grade it compared to others? You may not want it compared to others or whatever reason. Other people may think it's worth grading. That's their opinion.
This database is more than some votes. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I liked the idea of shoing all votes or open votes. Maybe also an option to just show the anonymous votes too?
TDJ:What do you mean? I see it as an opportunity for people to use votes they are more comfortable with. Some people don't trust anonymous votes so with this option they can have them disregarded.
I don't know what is to be gained from excluding entries from votes. Simply don't look at the votes or when looking at the chart, move all productions under it up 1. Do you want to remove the chance for people to grade it compared to others? You may not want it compared to others or whatever reason. Other people may think it's worth grading. That's their opinion.
This database is more than some votes.
It's very simple: if I can't trust the votes for my productions to be based on that production itself, and not on something else, I'd rather have no votes at all. It should be as honest as possible.
And yes, this database is more than votes, I never said it wasn't, but I think that if you give people the chance to place anonymous votes you should also give people the chance to make their productions non-votable. Or do you think that people creating stuff have less rights than people judging it? Even if the people judging it don't even have the guts to do it out in the open? |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
That doesn't make much logical sense. You have never said to someone what you thought of a release before without making it more public? It's not much dffierent to diskmag charts. Most people don't know who voted for what. Typically only the reply spread line does (return path to editor). Why don't you run a crusade to have all diskmag charts transparent?
It's the internet so don't be so interested in opinions. IT seems a little childish to be so interested in who is voting for what otherwise don't let my stuff be rated. Maybe you can more indepth detail about what is so bad that you don't want your stuff to be rated? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: That doesn't make much logical sense. You have never said to someone what you thought of a release before without making it more public? It's not much dffierent to diskmag charts. Most people don't know who voted for what. Typically only the reply spread line does (return path to editor). Why don't you run a crusade to have all diskmag charts transparent?
It's the internet so don't be so interested in opinions. IT seems a little childish to be so interested in who is voting for what otherwise don't let my stuff be rated. Maybe you can more indepth detail about what is so bad that you don't want your stuff to be rated?
1. there's a huge difference between the static diskmag charts and the charts here, which can be influenced right away by downvoting.
2. I can decide for myself if I want to be interested in opinions, thank you very much.
3. I'm not going to explain *again* why I want to be as sure as possible that the votes given are real, and not the result of somebody not liking a certain production/scener to be so high/low in the charts, just read my previous posts.
My girlfriend always says: "either something should be done just right, or it shouldn't be done at all". That's how I feel about this as well. So either make sure the charts are as correct as possible, or remove them. And if the charts will not be removed, at least give me and others the possibility to have ourselves and our products removed from them. That's all.
Oh, and it's quite childish to call a differing opinion childish. I have been very vocal in this discussion, if you just don't want to understand me, that's cool, but please tell me, otherwise it really will be a waste of my time.
You know, if you all just would have given in, I could have spend all that time on finishing my new demo for Floppy, now I'm too late :) |
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fade
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
you listen to your girlfriend.. hahahahaha sucker :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: you listen to your girlfriend.. hahahahaha sucker :)
I have to, she always takes a test later to see if I paid attention. If I fail, she revokes my c64 rights ;(
Ofcourse, when she says it ("do it right or don't do it at all") it usually has got something to do with clothes and/or make-up other girls are wearing.
Don't tell her I said that. |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
I'm trying to understand you. Maybe you better explain it a bit more differently.
A diskmag chart may be static for a particular issue but next issue will see a change.
What is wrong with the option of seeing only transparent votes or all votes? Then you can only se the votes you are interested in. I consider it a worthy compromise. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I'm trying to understand you. Maybe you better explain it a bit more differently.
A diskmag chart may be static for a particular issue but next issue will see a change.
What is wrong with the option of seeing only transparent votes or all votes? Then you can only se the votes you are interested in. I consider it a worthy compromise.
Sorry man, but I'm done playing this game. It tires me. I just hope Perff doesn't ignore the results of the poll instead of just changing his decision, again.
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 206 |
Stryyker and Iopop are right. For what we have votes in csdb ? IT's a useless thing. This is not a diskmag. |
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