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Codey
Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 79 |
Deus Ex Machina >> Edge of Disgrace
deus ex machina was more impressive and had more of an impact in 2000 than EoD did this year. i firmly believe a production should be judged against the era it was released. don't make me revisit the whole wonderland and larch series for greatest demo of all time. no disrespect to EoD or pearls for pigs. both excellent productions, but getting way too many votes compared to earlier productions. |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 493 |
@Shadow: New standards in music, graphics and a design driven demo. It took the scene years to come close to this combined high quality standards of disciplines. And it probably had somewhat the same impact as EoD might have had on the X, the reactions were very similar.
I challenge you to do a similar list of things for EoD, which were more groundbreaking, compared to DB. For example, personally i cannot think of 'non typical demostuff' in EoD. In terms of being revolutionary.
@Cruzer, Argh! ;)
Anyway, EoD is the summary of perfection build on the heritage of the scene. I have great respect for all producers involved. I dislike having to drag this awesome piece into a non-discussion. Let it be clear that i'm not trying to drag it down, for it's too awesome :)
I rather let the wares speak :) |
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Shadow
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 355 |
Sander: Well, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one! It's probably because I'm a coder, and primarily judge demos based on code (not saying that design isn't important - it is, but unless it's backed by some nice code, I'm usually not impressed).
EoD brought several new routines that at least I hadn't seen before (HCB 8x4 plasma, 4x4 color dithered plasma, sprite zoomer on top of chessboard zoomer etc. etc.)
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quoting ScoutIt's on the 11th place now which is another depth for csdb and another proof this whole voting system here (censored) sucks The reason why I hardly voted and removed all the votes I ever made.
Voting only works when you vote for ALL compared items.
There's no system in voting for Edge Of Disgrace if you don't have to vote for Dutch Breeze, Deus Ex Machina etc. etc. as well. |
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der_ton
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 11 |
The ranking shouldn't be taken all that seriously. It's a rough overview of what's good and what's mediocre, and that's it, and from this angle it works quite well. 9.0 or 8.9, why make a drama out of that? |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quoting der_tonwhy make a drama out of that? Because Teh Scene == Drama and CSDb in particular!! |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 946 |
Quote: Quote:It's on the 11th place now which is another depth for csdb and another proof this whole voting system here is a cancroid infested fuck-up sucks
That should be more than enough. Slideshows shouldn't be in the demo top 10.
heh, now that you mentioned it, it's at 8th place. :) I suppose you should've said you like slide shows like DB, then it'd have been voted to 12th position. Ohwell.
I can understand your point of view, especially since I've been doing some code myself, considering all the cycle critical stuff, optimization of maths, handling of irqs/nmis, memory management in trackmoos etc.
But hey, if we (the graphics slaves) did our pictures and logos a little faster, DB would've been released 1-2 years earlier, so we are to blame. Some part's lyrics express this coders frustration (fli scroll/end part) of not releasing the routines earlier. Frankly, I think a couple of coders in Black Mail were good enough to do things we see in other top 10 demos that are released later, if they'd have been a bit more ambitious. |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 440 |
Quote: It might be a bit off-topic to turn this into a discussion about Dutch Breeze, but I have to ask - exactly what did that demo bring to the table that make people regard it as one of the most influential demos of all time?
* Some nice pictures yes, but no new graphics mode introduced or any other technical invention.
* FLI scroller - had been done before. Might be the biggest one at that date, but still far from revolutionary.
* Game-like intro with scrolling and animated dragon. Sure, not the typical demo stuff, but surely similar stuff had been done before.
So I am guessing that is no specific thing, but instead for some the sum of the parts added up to something great.
Guess I'm just not one of those.
Lick your finger... Then you will know *ROFL* |
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Wile Coyote
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 646 |
Deus Ex Machina always felt like a mixed bag to me. On one level it impressed me, and on another level it did little for me. Which is why prefer Krestology, Ice Cream Castle, Krestage 1 so much more than Deus.
Deus Ex Machina contained just one tune, all be it a great tune. I prefer many good tunes. The intro picture, the all borders screen wipe Fx, the Turn Disk pt, had a wow factor. The rest of the demo was so, so, although I liked the Coke pt. The Crest/Oxyron bitmap at the end look good, the other images less fitting.
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Britelite
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 51 |
Quote: Deus Ex Machina always felt like a mixed bag to me. On one level it impressed me, and on another level it did little for me. Which is why prefer Krestology, Ice Cream Castle, Krestage 1 so much more than Deus.
Deus Ex Machina contained just one tune, all be it a great tune. I prefer many good tunes. The intro picture, the all borders screen wipe Fx, the Turn Disk pt, had a wow factor. The rest of the demo was so, so, although I liked the Coke pt. The Crest/Oxyron bitmap at the end look good, the other images less fitting.
Contained just one tune? You must have a different version than me, as the version of Deus Ex Machina I've seen has several different tunes... |
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Testa
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Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 197 |
i think deus and edge of disgrace are both great demos... i think the whole discussion of whitch demo is better makes no sense... they are both great in their own way.....
about dutch breeze i want to say, i only liked the graphics and the music. edge of disgrace and deus are far more advanced then dutch breeze... ofcourse back in the day, dutch breeze was a milestone for the scene but we,ve got to move on....
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