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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
CSDb: quantify me
CSDb-based quantitative analyses of the C64 Scene
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Oswald, being honest mate only someone not actually on cnet would say it wasnt the driving force on the most prolific demo scene of the mid-late 80s.
and being as how pretty much all of the prolific demo writers on it had gone commercial or stopped by '88 i think i really do have a point.
eg. Ian & Mic, Mat & Psy, Bob & Doug, Ash & Dave, Meanteam, Kernal, BWB etc.
These guys alone account for a fairly sizable wedge of the demo relases for 86-88.
I agree with JCB about the stand alone music releases, their increase would almost certainly coincide with the availability of soundmonitor, then rockmonitor, goattracker etc. basically music access for the non coding musicians (like matt gray in the beginning).
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Ah, I see the qualitative (as opposed to quantitative) discussion has started :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
"Oswald, being honest mate only someone not actually on cnet would say it wasnt the driving force on the most prolific demo scene of the mid-late 80s."
I'm glad having not said that.
Btw, you think about CNET as a subscene with all the guys in it. For me its the network. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Hmm. the graphics graph makes interesting reading. the marked increase in '86 would almost certainly be CNET artists as the were no artists outside of cnet (with the exception of The Sarge that had such output (that i am aware of anyway).
personally i would have expected that the amount should have been higher than the graph says for the 86-88 period, but it is possible that the figures are somewhat affected by the fact that alot of the artists with whose stuff i am familiar were producing more commercial loading screens than non commercial stuff and therefore their output may or may not appear in the "scene" data.
it would be very interesting to map the introduction of FLI and other modes to its resurgence in the early 90's tho.
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
no Oswald, you are quite wrong there, i don't think of cnet as a subscene, i think of cnet as the MAIN scene that everyone else wanted to get their stuff onto.
because that was in effect the way it was.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
You think of it as you want, but correctly: CNET was the main sub-scene. (I guess, how about the bbs-scene in the US?) The whole picture was certainly bigger then CNET, I guess we can agree on that.
No artists outside CNET? Most probably not true.
The numbers also dont show, how demos needed more and more time to produce. These days the energy invested into a fader-routine may equal several 86-88 demos.
Also a few names leaving the scene for commercial work does not explain the shrinking numbers alone. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Jesus Oswald you really would argue with an empty room wouldnt you?
being as how you disagree, with my artist statement, would you like to point out who else was as prolific (except sarge) as cnet artists in the 86-88 period?
and while you are at it add up the output of just myself, dokk, Bob and sit and compare it against the graph?
i think you would find that us four alone account for a fair percentage of those stats.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
"would you like to point out who else was as prolific (except sarge) as cnet artists in the 86-88 period?"
Lets go back: You said artists did not exist outside CNET, I said that's most probably not true. Now why should I prove anything regarding polificieny outside CNET? Nice strawman instead of admitting you have over exaggerated the issue.
"and while you are at it add up the output of just myself, dokk, Bob and sit and compare it against the graph?"
Lets see, on average about 400 pictures per year in the era, drops to ~300 in 1990 and to 100 in 1992. Seriously what are you smoking? Have you 3 produced ~100-200 pictures per year ? You are wearing some seriously huge rose tinted glasses. Your role in the scene was much smaller.
Maybe.. just mabye.. the shrinking numbers had to do so much more with the c64 getting old and people moving on ? Than a few 'big' names leaving ?
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
There was a whole world outside CNET, CNET was only Britain, claiming Britain only - oh not even Britain, but only a few people -> owes for the huge output in the golden era is arrogent and selfish and stupid. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: There was a whole world outside CNET, CNET was only Britain, claiming Britain only - oh not even Britain, but only a few people -> owes for the huge output in the golden era is arrogent and selfish and stupid.
To be honest most demos outside of the UK were written with Cnet in mind, they all (nearly anyway) ended up on there, that's how I got all the 1001 crew, Judges, Dutch USA team, TMC... list goes on and on. Check the scrollers in those demos, it's all greets to 1/2 of Cnet or other groups they knew would get the demos via Cnet. Ste and I used to get people from other countries asking us to send them Cnet stuff. It was THE hub for the scene, yeah not everyone in the scene was on it due to locale but they wanted their stuff on there.
That's what Ste is getting at, not trying to claim "we" as Brits are solely responsible for the scene.
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