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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Release id #53316 : Ikari & Talent Intro
mmmh its somehow getting out of hand. intros that werent released like this (single file, without a crack attached) shouldn't get a seperate entry. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
This is a DATAbase, not a file server.
As long as it's not possible to properly add credits to crack intros that go with the crack, I think Rough's idea isn't too bad.
After all, we are interested in the information here.
If Rough's way isn't right, then suggest a way to properly credit intros in some other fashion. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
there is no proper way right now. yes its a database flaw. and no adding them all anyway isnt a good idea, since that will mean major work once such a feature is made. |
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Trazan
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Support zyrons project, Intros.c64.org instead, thank you!
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Flame me, but I like how Rough is doing it. One entry per intro with nice additional info and all the sids added that got used.
@Groepaz et al.: Be careful not to slip into a narrow minded finance office accountant mentality. Sorry if it sounds a bit hard, but I get the impression that you're sometimes insisting on "the rules" just for the sake of it. Finetune the rules instead if someone brings up something interesting that lies outside the current scope. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
we are working on "finetuning" the rules.
however, quality (and that also means database consistancy and integrity) comes WAY before quantity. all this stuff can be done later when it can be done properly. it's not like anyone would run out of work until then =) |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Hehe, now THAT we can agree on for sure! ;-) |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: Flame me, but I like how Rough is doing it. One entry per intro with nice additional info and all the sids added that got used.
@Groepaz et al.: Be careful not to slip into a narrow minded finance office accountant mentality. Sorry if it sounds a bit hard, but I get the impression that you're sometimes insisting on "the rules" just for the sake of it. Finetune the rules instead if someone brings up something interesting that lies outside the current scope.
Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against uploading intros.
But what I've stated earlier, I find it nonsense to upload crack-stripped intros for preservation sake.
For this we have intros.c64.org already and the original crackrelease.
Maybe cross-referencing from intro.c64.org with csdb (and vice-versa) might be an idea but that's something for the site-developers.
All I want is a clean scene database that represents a clear (and clean) view of what is released in the C64 cracking- and demoscene.
Those intros are not the case.
Now we have uploads of crackintros. What's next? Pictures ripped from demos?
On a sidenote, cheers for Rough for uploading and updating the csdb-entries (the non-crackintro's that is ;-). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
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Now we have uploads of crackintros. What's next? Pictures ripped from demos?
thats the point. such kind of things ideally go into their own database, and are then crosslinked with each other.
thats btw exactly the reason why sids from hvsc get different entries than other stuff.
and oh yes, kudos for what rough is doing. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
good point there, but there are differences betweens .sid files and intros
a) first of all .sid files are originally Amiga/PC related, not to be used on 64
b) .sid files are ripped, the downloads of the intro entries are not, they are the original cracks
c) sid tunes have their proper credits in every release including links to HVSC to listen to them, intros are not credited at all, only possibility: within a crack which looks weird and also gets following problem: when an intro is e.g. 50 times used, a 100% database would credit its producers a 50 times, not very senseful.
The way I do it right now also gives some problems, e.g. I enter as release data the date of the crack it was first used on (at least to my current knowledge...) and furthermore I add sid tunes which were used in that intro later which gives them when credited a wrong date.
Currently it's a good solution and I like it. When there is a better one my entries can be removed every time, that won't be a problem. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
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When there is a better one my entries can be removed every time, that won't be a problem.
no please. removing them will be work, which is unnecessary. just wait until we have a decent solution.
(chances are, those entries will be deleted even before we have a proper solution. just like pointless gfx entries with pictures ripped from games have been removed. actually we are preparing a foundation of rules atm to establish exactly that) |
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