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Sequencer
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Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 13 |
What editors are PPL using now?
Hey. So I haven't coded a chiptune properly for C-64 since the mid 90s (I've used a hardsid in midi, a sidstation, and (gasp) quadrasid emulation but all mainly in recorded work). But now I am thinking it would be fun to make some new tracks, and some old friends are starting to ask me for them...
So, the last time I really did anything it was in JCH Editor (v17-19 range, I think... it is all foggy now). I'm curious to hear what people are using now and what enhancements have been made. I'm sorry if this is a redundant topic somewhere else --
I've dabbled with GoatTracker. Found it a bit off. But one thing I did like, that wasn't present in JCH editor was the sort of ability to vastly modify the instrument within the pattern data. For example, changing filter mode/cutoff/resonance within the voices vs. having to make one or several sweeping instrument definitions.
I had messed a little bit with multi-speed editing (x3), which at the time was a pain.
I'm also pretty interested in some of what has happened with C-64 + sample playback. I saw an impressive demo of something like a MOD or XM playing on C64, and then being post processed through the filter.
Anyway, curious to hear what people are using and why. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
i made this: Tracker Preview 0f
totally unuseable though :o) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Basically, it boils down to a few good editors.
Goattracker on the PC.
SDI on the c64.
JCH derivates.
Laxity's latest editor.
Or one of Jeff's recent editors.
My weapon of choice being SDI ofcourse :-D
Another question is, do you want a DUR based editor or a conventional "Tracker" style editor.
The rest, well, I wouldnt bother with.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
computech (or sonics mod called "x-tracker") is nice too, imho ... if you can deal with those ugly .dur based editors that is :) |
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Sequencer
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Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 13 |
@mace - I used the search. As much as there was plenty of discussion on what trackers a new c-64 composer might like I was specifically into hearing what people used and why.
I know this is somewhat redundant, and that I could download every editor and screw with them and decide for myself, and use previous posts for hints. But you know, I figure some people like to be social and sometimes that means talking about the same old shit.
Anyway... I used JCH editor a lot and have used other tracker style editors since ProTracker c. 1990. So as much as I started using those hex-laden messes like Future Composer and VoiceTracker I felt much better using JCH's. The main thing I was hoping for appears to have been realized in some of the hacks/updates to JCH editor, and Laxity's editor. That is - more direct channel-based control vs. table pointers and ... not having to decouple commands from note-on/instrument setters. Mainly I'd love to be able to set filter, adsr, perhaps pulsewidth, vibrato, slide on the pattern itself (override the current wavetable) and not be forced to do so through static lookup tables. The tables approach is very efficient but also very constricting.
I'm somewhat interested in how multi-speed and sample playback have improved, but equally in how low-speed may now be done intentionally.
So I was mainly curious not just to hear people's declarations like 'SDI is the best' but rather why ... 'SDI is the best because it gives better control of X compared to JCH derivatives', etc. That and a few people flaming me and kick banning me for not coming up with a wholly unique conversation.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote:people flaming me and kick banning me for not coming up with a wholly unique conversation Aahhh, come on!
We're just keeping up our standards! ;-) |
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uneksija
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 45 |
I did my first C64-tunes in Cybertracker, but found it limiting (it could be really great, it has the best user interface and pattern effects etc. ever, but it has limited note memory and lacks multispeed etc.). After that I searched for the perfect editor for a long time... Then I finally realized I should stop searching and instead just simply try some editor that seems nice and make a tune. So I learned the basics of Sid Duzz It over a weekend and I've been using that editor ever since. It's tracker-style, and I like how the note and sequencer editors work. It's up to 16x multispeed, and it has a powerful instrument editor. It's a very good editor, and has only a few things that could be little bit better or added. It's also still in developement, so who knows what great features it will have in the future. There's also a version of SDI that has a sample channel with great features, but unfortunately this version is unfinished, difficult to use (unless you are a coder) and has no packer (I think).
About sample features in C64 music editors in general: Unfortunately it seems that there still isn't a proper editor with a sample channel and a packer. However there's some tool by Padua you can use to add digis. And of course there is always for example Rockmonitor ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
tunes with samples will always need special treatment though if you want to use them in demos or something like that. |
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uneksija
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 45 |
Quote: tunes with samples will always need special treatment though if you want to use them in demos or something like that.
Yes of course - but I personally simply would like to make a tune with digis someday. It could be used easily as-is or in a music collection for example. I guess I should try Rockmonitor someday :) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Sequencer : I cant say much about JCH, never used it.
But SDI has this 4th fx channel which is a complete bliss. You can use it f.ex. to control the filters for all channels
(something i abuse alot). Also plenty of control from within the sequences to alter ADSR/filter and slide to your hearts content. |
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The Human Code Machine
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 112 |
Quote: Yes of course - but I personally simply would like to make a tune with digis someday. It could be used easily as-is or in a music collection for example. I guess I should try Rockmonitor someday :)
Simply wait until I release my MDG-Modconverter at breakpoint. It's a lot easier to compose sampled music with your favourite Amiga or PC-Tracker;) |
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