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2009-08-21 12:56
goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
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single-channel echo (who was first?)

So, the NESers claim FIRST on single-channel echo (1988):
http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=5397

Was this made earlier on the C64?
On the Amiga I'm guessing there was plenty, anyone has any examples?

The war goes on...

:)

In the NESdev thread Neil Baldwin posts a link to his single-channel-echo-feature in his NES-editor. Pretty sweet: http://dutycyclegenerator.com/sound/echo.mp3

 
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2009-08-22 00:37
Stone

Registered: Oct 2006
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Fred Gray often used an echo-like effect on his lead instruments by fiddling with the pulse width in such a way that it sounds like the note is re-triggered. So he certainly did it before 1988.
2009-08-22 01:35
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
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@Steppe: in that tune of mine, the echo is done with Attack on notes that are triggered, along with using a standard hard restart... made the echos quite soft by doing it that way, and it only requires one voice... I did use more voices, but that was for the tone of the sound - the echos can be done within one voice. I also used that trick in "Analogue.sid" and other tunes.
2009-08-22 09:22
SIDWAVE
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Quote: come on jan, prove your skills! in miami vice the echo uses a 2nd channel, right?

try some old lars hård tunes..
2009-08-22 09:23
SIDWAVE
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Quote: Fred Gray often used an echo-like effect on his lead instruments by fiddling with the pulse width in such a way that it sounds like the note is re-triggered. So he certainly did it before 1988.

oktav arpeggio and square pulse, fred gray trademark
2009-08-22 09:25
SIDWAVE
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echo can be done by playing the same note 2 times, and 2nd time the volume is only 50% i dont see what's special about it.

i wouldnt be surprised if we find a 1984 sid that does it..
2009-08-22 09:29
SIDWAVE
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as a bonus: in the 60's, carl perkins invented the echo picking of a string on his guitar, on 1 string, with his magic hand moves.

now everybody does that.
someone has to be the first..
2009-08-22 10:21
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:
as a bonus: in the 60's, carl perkins invented the echo picking of a string on his guitar, on 1 string, with his magic hand moves.


no he didnt :) there are jazz recordings from the 50s were guitarrists use the same technique... and i am sure they werent first either :)
2009-08-22 10:27
GT
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Me was first, but I haven't released it yet. ;)
2009-08-22 12:06
NecroPolo

Registered: Jun 2009
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Quote: Quote:
as a bonus: in the 60's, carl perkins invented the echo picking of a string on his guitar, on 1 string, with his magic hand moves.


no he didnt :) there are jazz recordings from the 50s were guitarrists use the same technique... and i am sure they werent first either :)




Mr. Les Paul was the man.


He invented:

- all the time (+modulation) based effects like: chorus, phaser, flanger, echo, delay etc-etc) based FFX we all use today, using AMPEX tape machines

- real-time female delay

- the first onstage sampler/looper, called the Les Paulverizer. Early '70s stuff...

- the first working solidbody electric guitar design, called "The Log", 1939

- The Gibbo. Well, it's his design, alive, kicking and strong for over 50 years...

- of course, some super-nifty guitar playing techniques

- multitrack recording (he had a main role in developing the first multitrack tape recorder by Ampex in the mid-50s)

- overdubbing

- close micing techniques, still used today

- the first home studio (virtually, the concept was the prototype of ALL modern studios)

- ..and who knows what else...?


Add some super-inventive, unmatched, spectacular playing skills and incerdible musical playfullness. If you like, just hit "Les Paul" and "Mary Ford" on Youtube. At the age of 90+, he still played live shows, despite some disabled fingers and health issues. All in all, he was one of the most important people of music in the last 100 years whose work has an effect on anything you do today with any music related activity.


June 9, 1915 – August 13, 2009

RIP Mr Paul.
2009-08-22 12:41
GT
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Let's not get off topic. We're talking C-64 here, aren't we ?
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