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2006-02-24 12:28
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
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Credits in user comments

Lately I've been noticing a lot of people entering credits in the user comments, or members in the trivia section of a group. Why not just enter this data the way it's meant to I wonder?

Example: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=28712&show=review
 
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2006-02-24 16:32
Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512
Quote: The answer lies probably in adding some kind of 1:n relationships between a release and a product (intro/cruncher/even game). So for example Hein's intro would become a seperate entry (not a release persee) and the crack would have a link to it.

I´d say "Add the credits for code/gfx+msx to Hein!!"
It´s too beautiful to be forgotten! 8D

What was that games-name again.. :(
2006-02-24 16:36
SECRET MAN
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Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 336
Yep,many uploads are locked and thats the problem.I will never lock something here.I unlocked all my Zenith uploads.That costs a lot of time.
I mailed Skid Row (Timo) ,but i became no answer.He locked several things here.SHIT.I will KILL him.
2006-02-24 18:07
Wanderer
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Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 478
I agree with Zyron. In cases where I am not sure who the cracker is (eg. three listings for a 'Mr. Hack') I will leave a comment. This way people don't think I was just lazy and I also find others users (eg. Jazzcat) are a fountain of knowledge when it comes to these guys and can fill in the missing blanks.
2006-02-25 04:16
Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044
Well it is up to the CSDB admin to fix some things here.

Regarding the intro credits, I strongly agree. But we need some extra things in order not to confuse things.

For example, when uploading a "cracker group release" or a "crack". Normally the only credits are the cracker, original supplier and things like that. But it would also be nice to add other things like "Crack Intro coder", "Crack Intro graphician", "Crack Intro musician".

If you were to add just say:

Code.....Hein Design
Code.....Steve Rowlands

You can't distinguish between the two as who did what. Obviously to those that know, Steve would have coded the game, whilst Hein would have done the crack intro.

If these things can be fixed, by the CSDB admin, then things can be cleared.

Intros are one of the most neglected items on CSDB.


Regarding definitions.

There should be some changes also.

"Game" or "Game Preview" should just be for originals.

"C64 Crack" should be for a game that has been cracked from tape, had protection hacked etc.

"C64 crack group release" (a new definition) should be for those game previews that are merely intro linked or for games that required no actual "cracking".


This way it defines the "releases" and "cracks" better and stops lamers from screaming too much.

I have suggested all of these things to the CSDB admin, but no reply.

2006-02-25 04:24
Style

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498
"c64 crack group release" sounds gay. Id suggest something more like 'c64 game spread' or something. I mean, the only reason to release an unprotected game is to make it available to more people........

2006-02-25 05:26
Slartibartfast
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Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 230
C64 Game Spread?

I knew Nintendo made breakfast cereal, I didn't realise Commodore had started making sandwich spread!
2006-02-25 05:31
Style

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498
Nintendo made breakfast cereal?

A free cornflake in every box of plastic Marios?
2006-02-25 05:37
Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044
They were just examples, not what "should" be. C64 Game Spread sounds lame also, there needs to be reference to a cracking group more so than "game".

2006-02-25 05:46
Style

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498
But why mention cracking when the game wasnt cracked?

There are several activities you can do on c64:

* demo making
* game cracking
* swapping/game spreading

etc

Some group did more than 1. I do know why youd want to refer to it as a 'cracking group release' when the group might not solely be a cracking group, and the game wasnt cracked.

C64 Game Distribution, spread...whatever. But dont refer to cracking, it makes no sense. There must be a term suitable for when people release a game that didnt require cracking but they add docs etc and make it more widely available.....
2006-02-25 06:18
Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044
It needs to be referred to a cracking group. I did mention in my earlier post "cracking group", not just "cracking". Best re-read it. :) A cracking group is the group releasing the ware. It's as simple as that.

When I originally joined this database, I created the releases as "C64 games" but then the admin told me to change it to "C64 cracks" to distinguish the release from the game original. So I did this. Then I get in trouble with a bunch of whiners regarding that it's not a "crack" and just a "release".

I guess in the long term, anyone can just download the release and make up their own terminology. But it would be nice to have some flexibility on this database as far as the labelling is concerned.
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