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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408 |
When is a One-File Demo not a One-File Demo?
So, I've finally finished a small release (title+one effect+music), except it's 250 blocks long even before I decrunch it; initial load is from $0801 to $fffe
It's all a single file, that if I send to my c64 via codenet it runs just fine standalone, but in order to make it loadable with stock 1541+c64 I'm bundling it with the Effluvium loader. (cf Packer/decruncher for under IO?)
Should I make the Release Type "C64 One-File Demo" or "C64 Demo"? |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 899 |
Quote: @Flavioweb, Well, disk image is not needed to run the thing; all the effects code, graphics and music are all in a single 250 block file that starts with "10 sys2061". It's just that the kernal load routines are too stupid to load under ROM/IO. Any decent fastload cart should be able to load it directly.
@WVL, how can a 600 block file be single load? Surely there's only room in the c64 for 258 blocks, and even that wouldn't leave room for a loader?
Anyway, I'll go with c64 demo for now I guess; corrections welcome.
I meant this slideshow : Nocode-slide by tlr.
It's a single file, but does it count as a onefiler or not? It doesn't even contain any code at all.... |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2970 |
If you count tlr's nocode slideshow as a onefiler, you must also count single-filed IFFL stuff as onefilers. May be correct in a certain way, but feels odd.
I go with Jackasser. Classic onefilers are up to 202 blocks, $0801-$cfff, and load in a single pass before running, no autostart, no tricks, no disk images.
If non-standard load is required (to load under IO and ROM), it's a "crippled onefiler" indeed.
If you add a loader, it's a demo. :) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408 |
Clearest statement yet.
*upvotes Krill's comment* |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 899 |
I did say that I counted that slideshow as a demo, no? :) I'm just saying that the difference between demo/onefiler might not be that easy to define.. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408 |
Nocode-slide is a very cool hack.
It's also an excellent demonstration of the inappropriateness of a simplistic "single file = one file demo" rule. Thanks for bringing it up, WVL. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Quote: Nocode-slide is a very cool hack.
It's also an excellent demonstration of the inappropriateness of a simplistic "single file = one file demo" rule. Thanks for bringing it up, WVL.
How about: If you can LOAD, and then SAVE and get a correct copy of the file, then it's a single file, otherwise demo. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
/nitpicking
i think this is in the grey zone, what if I can load it in with a software fastloader? it's still loadable with a stock machine, and its still one file only :P
at the end of the day it doesnt really matters. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11365 |
i cant believe you are discussing this... seriously? time to remove some more useless categories.... |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705 |
One file demo: Single file only that does not rely on any additional files (eg loader etc) to start as well as being able to run without the help of any additional hardware (cartridges) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11365 |
how about: if it is one file, then it is one file?
*shakes head* |
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