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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Release id #237162 : Tribute to Vangelis
@4gent,
1) feels you took those quotes out of context
2) I even said to 2 girls on the schoolyard when I was 9 that I'm never gonna have sex because its disgusting
3) Talent added so much of his own, that I consider it an original work, Vermeer traced outlines with pinhole camera, Talent used another work for reference I couldnt care less. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Quote: Peacemaker.
I really don't understand what this is about. You posting this Night Driver image. What are you trying to say? One or two short sentences. Please take your time and explain more thoroughly next time so I have a chance to understand.
First rule in a discussion is understanding the topic. If not understanding there is a risk of making a fool of oneself.
So.
Do you know what the 2600 was about?
If you didn't understood here is the explanation. When I was young I had an Atari 2600 and played a lot of games that I loved. I also loved the cover images on those boxes. It's pretty obvious isn't it?
Those images was mesmerising. So I thought I would make an ode to the artist that made these. It is stated in the release comments. Please read if you are interested.
I'm also flattered you like my stuff so much that you remembered this release some 3+ years ago.
These are not wired or converted. Pure pixel pushing.
There are not of course complete timelapse or complete work stages because I never in my dreams thought someone would ask for them this many years later. Bummer.
This is about exposing hypocrisy. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 689 |
Gah, stop arguing here and go make a demo about it :p
Meanwhile… on the subject of Vangelis… it’s kinda ironic that we’re talking about copying (or not)… https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/vangelis-chariots-of-fir..
And I realise that I’m not the right person to comment here… after using Adobe Stock images in past art… Colours Explained |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Quoting Raistlin
Meanwhile… on the subject of Vangelis… it’s kinda ironic that we’re talking about copying (or not)… https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/vangelis-chariots-of-fir..
Then the Vangelis fans in court:
https://www.vangelismovements.com/stavroslogaridis.htm
and so on, and so on... enough for a demo indeed. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 502 |
Quoting RaistlinMeanwhile… on the subject of Vangelis… it’s kinda ironic that we’re talking about copying (or not)… https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/vangelis-chariots-of-fir..
*doh* I will never understand why musicians go to court because of a couple of notes that probably every musician comes up with once in their life. Yeah some notes are the same – true for 99% of all western 12 tone music – especially within the same genre. And even more when you mostly stay in diatonic scale (7 notes out of 12) you'll end up with the same / very similar progressions as others all the time. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3058 |
It took a while to read it all but I had to react here or there and I also came to this conclusion
TLDR:
Two people who aren't graphicians (Peacemaker and Oswald), are insulting real talented graphic artists in the ill attempt to defend another talented artist over the dispute about artistic integrity.
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And now the comments to the posts that caught my attention
Quoting Carrion@Electric.
What is you goal? What is your crusade leads to? I dont expect D-Mage to do next images. Do you want other graphicians stop doing c64 stuff too? Then only you and "real" pixel artist remain on scene?
And yes, I understand all the arguments but for me demoscene is a place to share my passion with others. How they do it is their onw choice as long as we dont harm eachother.
Your crusade Electric is IMO harmful. I have enough of it. Thanks for ruining it for me.
I think what Electric was trying to point out and explain over and over is valid point. Which is: be upfront and give credits where credits are due. There is place for that in release fields. Production notes. Trivia. Goofs. Use whatever you want. Best place is directly in the demo credits of course. By the way, same goes for composing. I'm glad if anyone fills in the gaps in STIL (sid tune information list). But I don't want to discuss that here extensively. All I want to say, that I could do better in past and thanks to the STIL editors (SID Tune Information List) for filling in the gaps, although not completely. We all could and should do better.
Quoting 4gentEorange pixels in Vangelis' beard.
This is out of question. They wouldn't be there if the process of creation of the image was completely manual.
Quoting peacemaker...
Logical fallacies all over. And ad hominems and doxing aimed at 4gentE are the most despicable.
Quoting Oswald replying The Sargeor how about none of them and instead envious pixelers guilty of doing the same thing stop acting like the spanish inqusition to discredit their competitors.
Please, grow up.
Quoting FlotsamThis is such nonsense. Why this hostility and tries at personal counter-attacks? Why not instead try to communicate like adults do and focus on the matter? I understand you're trying to defend Talent, but this is not the right way to do it. This bullshit just prolongs the agony when it's already pretty clear that the pic is a direct conversion of some other artist's work with some additional manual pixeling. The red tint on the beard is not the only telltale sign of this.
...I promise to be a better scener from now on and in the future releases mention if I use conversion, AI, references, whatnot. Because... why not
Word!
Quoting 4gentE replying to JammerFrankly, what bothers me is that those 2 guys were literally crapping over Electric and The Sarge with bullshit “arguments” and you don’t seem to mind that at all.
I agree with this one.
Quoting Jammercost of scaring Talent off the scene
Should the artistic community sacrifice it's pursuit for integrity for the sake of pleasing everyone? I have quote about where it leads... in my profile, btw.
Quoting Peacemaker well, go ahead, eletric. i am wondering whats wrong with you. just because you are not able to do such masterful dithering, does not mean it must be automized.
I would call it unique and unusual style. It's biggest advantage is consistency. It gives Wonderland XIV visually consistent and unique gfx style whenever *the girl* appears on screen, which is great, but how you dare to accuse Electric of being envious of such style? For example in Wonderland XIV the part where the girl is running away from taxi (https://youtu.be/X6z3GgV7LaQ?feature=shared&t=13249). I can't imagine anyone else would be satisfied with this one as finished to every pixel, and still it works in general style of the demo.
Quoting OswaldThis looks like a straight convert, congrats for your 2nd place. Love Lisa
26 years old picture from Electric just proves his argument, actually. He asks from more ethical approach because he is 26 years older now. You should grow up too. Your "arguments" are no match to his and it's kinda obvious that he talks with you patiently, as with a child. It's painful to watch.
Quoting ElectricOur “history” part of the Pixeled Years -exhibition presenting demoscene had ONE original Finnish C64 fullscreen pixel image from 80s-90s. Rest used references fully or partially. There’s lots to dig into.
Can you plase give a link to that one? Or screenshot?
Quoting Oswald insulting The SargeMaybe you better work on your technique, instead of throwing mud.
I literally swallow the insults I would like to send to your direction after this, you fool.
Quoting Oswald insulting The SargeThis is about exposing hypocrisy.
...and it literally hurts to read this comment which you don't even mean seriously. If it weren't for Peacemaker, I would say you went full retard in this thread (and won), but he had beat you by a hair. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
@Creamd,
Hypocrisy on your part aswell, you call us out for personal attacks while you have made some of strongest ones in the whole thread (with 4gentE), and you conveniently dont have any problem with 4gentE's behaviour, because he shares your opinion.
It has been shown that, Electric, The Sarge, 4gentE are all guilty for reworking existing pictures. Most of them being quite recent work. Not just one 26 year old example was shown.
Where was Electric pointing his finger and creating crossfade anigifs, asking for workstages when 2600 was released ?
You may call me a childish retard, but I'm convinced this is happening because they can not stand the competition Talent gives them, and it has nothing to do with "the artistic community's pursuit for integrity for the sake of pleasing everyone" |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote: It has been shown that, Electric, The Sarge, 4gentE are all guilty for reworking existing pictures.
Makes one think : is this guy hallucinating or lying? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3058 |
Quote: @Creamd,
Hypocrisy on your part aswell, you call us out for personal attacks while you have made some of strongest ones in the whole thread (with 4gentE), and you conveniently dont have any problem with 4gentE's behaviour, because he shares your opinion.
It has been shown that, Electric, The Sarge, 4gentE are all guilty for reworking existing pictures. Most of them being quite recent work. Not just one 26 year old example was shown.
Where was Electric pointing his finger and creating crossfade anigifs, asking for workstages when 2600 was released ?
You may call me a childish retard, but I'm convinced this is happening because they can not stand the competition Talent gives them, and it has nothing to do with "the artistic community's pursuit for integrity for the sake of pleasing everyone"
For the sake of pleasing everyone? You are so "in the mood" that you aren't even capable of reading with comprehension. I will put you with peacemaker on ignore until someone tells me you calmed down. And you telling me I made the strongest insults here, dude, seriously, get your shit together. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2274 |
Quoting Electric...
Indeed I don't see much changing but just hope to see us all paying attention to these - gfxers, coders, musicians, party orgs, moderators +++
I hope you're not speaking of CSDb moderators but of party moderators...
/o\
D'OH I'm both...
Speaking for CSDb Modding: Thanks for going on here instead of Comments. But 148 postings in 2 nights... have patience if you expect any of us to catch up with these textwalls or just PM us if you think there's any punches below the belt. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Quote: For the sake of pleasing everyone? You are so "in the mood" that you aren't even capable of reading with comprehension. I will put you with peacemaker on ignore until someone tells me you calmed down. And you telling me I made the strongest insults here, dude, seriously, get your shit together.
"you went full retard in this thread (and won)"
"Please, grow up"
"get your shit together"
"You should grow up too"
"insults I would like to send to your direction after this, you fool."
"talks with you patiently, as with a child. It's painful to watch."
"you aren't even capable of reading "
" And you telling me I made the strongest insults here" |
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