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2005-12-27 15:17

stash
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Registered: Jan 2002
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wandere deleats warez from others!!

wtf is this. i was browsing the SWA side i found out that this
pig wanderer has deleted all of our uploaded warez.. for what reason are u so incompetent to do a demo to rag back on crudsmoker or what is ur problem.. stay away take this as a wrning,,

and to the csdb admns why don´t any one do something about this when people start deleting other peoples stuff??

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2006-01-08 04:33

Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044

How do we know the offer was made willingly? Who is this individual, can they be contacted for verification? Otherwise we might as well make anything up, in order to serve our purposes here during this conversation.

Did the threats come before the deletion of the SWA wares also?

And can you explain the Mermaid releases and why they were uploaded (the first preview and the second group of previews)?

2006-01-08 04:52

Wanderer
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Quote: How do we know the offer was made willingly? Who is this individual, can they be contacted for verification? Otherwise we might as well make anything up, in order to serve our purposes here during this conversation.

Did the threats come before the deletion of the SWA wares also?

And can you explain the Mermaid releases and why they were uploaded (the first preview and the second group of previews)?

Chronologically...

You don't.

I made a promise not to say.

Yes but I don't see that happening right now.

The allegations thus far are that I have made everything up so I don't see it changing for this conversation.

Afterwards but it doesn't make it right. If I "heard" you deleted a release and I said, "David I'm flying to Australia to kill your family" that is a serious threat in which the RCMP would be at my door. You cannot diminish nor justify the act Stash committed, it was not called for and fortunately quite rare on CSDB because most of us don't have the mentality of a bar of soap. (It didn't scare me or bother me, it was funny he got that upset but it was still an act not to be condoned no matter what he "FELT" was done to him)

Finally (phew)... No I cannot.

Now then, tomorrow I pack up this computer and begin the transition to a larger home... I'm not coming back in a few weeks to read any of the few hundred more opinions on the infamous deleted releases so this is my last thought on it. :D

2006-01-08 05:04

Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044

Last thought on it or not you have to go back to the beginning and see who started this chain of events. Regarding a threat, the scene has been full of them for years and nothing more serious than Jeff Smart punching some guy in the nose at a scene party has ever taken place.

However, comparing threats and your actions. I would have to say on the scale of things, your actions (and other debates with various individuals) easily out-weigh everything.

Regarding promising not to tell. Well, it isn't difficult for me to look into things a bit further either. But at this stage I'm just politely asking who it was. If this leads back to you rather than some anonymous stranger, what then?

An email threat versus an account hack.

We both know which is more significant in the courts.

2006-01-08 05:45

Wanderer
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Quote: Last thought on it or not you have to go back to the beginning and see who started this chain of events. Regarding a threat, the scene has been full of them for years and nothing more serious than Jeff Smart punching some guy in the nose at a scene party has ever taken place.

However, comparing threats and your actions. I would have to say on the scale of things, your actions (and other debates with various individuals) easily out-weigh everything.

Regarding promising not to tell. Well, it isn't difficult for me to look into things a bit further either. But at this stage I'm just politely asking who it was. If this leads back to you rather than some anonymous stranger, what then?

An email threat versus an account hack.

We both know which is more significant in the courts.

Who started the series of events? That would be the person who made the unfounded claim to Stash that I had deleted his releases. You know him quite well, he lives in Australia.

That unfounded allegation led to a debate with Stash, or rather an argument. The argument led to a criminal threat amongst other things.

Laszlo is an idiot, with the mind of a child. He is incapable of intelligent thought, unable to communicate in English, his feeble mind is only able to come up with threats or 'pussy mom fuck fatso' comments that you'd expect from a child at a playground, not a grown adult.

But you seem to want to focus on actions vs threats. Alright, show me proof I deleted any release? You cannot. Stash cannot. Slarti cannot. Two weeks after the fact it still remains UNKNOWN who did it.

All that was ever established was that I gave Slarti his Gmail password. That doesn't mean I hacked it. It simply means I knew what it was. I stand by my statement that it was given to me by the same person who deleted the releases.

It's not for me to tell you who that person is/was. I'm not going to betray them. The downside is of course, people believe it was me. It's a catch-22 and it's been argued for two entire weeks now. We're no closer to knowing who it was and I think most of us couldn't give a shit :)

My point was, he is a failure. He failed at mailing lists, failed in his guestbook attempts, failed at the email bombing (carbon copying to the same address? lmao) and even took the bait with a fake picture.

Yes it was a war of words. Two people made threats. One said he wished he could meet me on the street (then fled the forums), another made death threats. In each case THEY allowed themselves to become emotionally involved and frustrated over my words. The phrase goes, "when you lose your temper, you lose the argument."

Then again what do you expect from someone who wrote on his own web page, "welcome to the swappaz with attidue geust book".

It's pretty fucking sad when one cannot even spell their OWN GROUP NAME correctly or "GUEST book" despite the words "Guestbook" appearing at the top of the page.

ROTFLMAO. That will do it.

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2006-01-08 08:41

Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044

I don't really care about spelling ability, especially from someone whose mother language is not English.

Regarding allegations. Have you ever considered the reason people accuse you is based on the exact same argument your trying to defend yourself against? EVIDENCE

You have no evidence to deny the allegations and you are the only one with a clear motive. Even if it was someone else, you are directly involved. It isn't that people have to prove you did it, you have to prove you didn't. There is no escaping this wrongdoing, your reputation has become soured by your actions. Words are one thing, actions are another.

Deeds, not words.

Deeds are what is remembered. Not hollow threats.

2006-01-08 09:50

stash
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wanderer: the idiot here is u. the treath started after the deleting of the swa stuff why should i start ragging on some one i never heard of and oldie retires retart like u

u said ur self in pm to me ur friend deleted the stuff and u where in some othere room now u don´t even confess on that who is the child here anyway.. regarding the guest book it´s also started after ur deleting the warez and the mermaids stuff got uploaded by u.. i also know that u got slarti´s password u said u will give it back or whate ever. don´t u see all evidence points at u. u have done it in the past u have done it again.. and still u keep on repeating ur self don´t u have any thing else to say.. no we didn´t fail with the geust book as i said it´s moved people have signed up there we have alot of scener listed in our sceners against wanderer it will come out

and yes i will say fuck u u fucking retard internet is free i can say what ever i want.. it´s also strange that the hacking of the guest book should come from germany where ur

cool freind secretpussy lives so shut the fuck up

we all know u did it

2006-01-08 17:14

SECRET MAN
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2006-01-08 18:19

Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044

SecretMan: sure... only to be started again due to no resolution. Anyway this thread should die soon as Wanderer is moving house at the moment.

2006-01-08 20:22

Wanderer
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Posts: 478

Quote: I don't really care about spelling ability, especially from someone whose mother language is not English.

Regarding allegations. Have you ever considered the reason people accuse you is based on the exact same argument your trying to defend yourself against? EVIDENCE

You have no evidence to deny the allegations and you are the only one with a clear motive. Even if it was someone else, you are directly involved. It isn't that people have to prove you did it, you have to prove you didn't. There is no escaping this wrongdoing, your reputation has become soured by your actions. Words are one thing, actions are another.

Deeds, not words.

Deeds are what is remembered. Not hollow threats.

>You have no evidence to deny the allegations and you are
>the only one with a clear motive

Evidence to deny the allegations? Did I hear that correctly? Okay David, last week one of my releases was deleted. I heard that it was you.

I want you to give me evidence that it WASN'T you.

The onus is always upon the accusor to substantiate their claim. It works like that in civil law, criminal law, the workplace and yes, even the scene. The world is not as stupid as to allow people to make accusations and the onus placed upon the innocent.

>It isn't that people have to prove you did it, you have to
>prove you didn't

LMAO. Has Slarti been lending you acid? I don't have to prove a thing. I've been labelled as having fake accounts, downvoting productions and deletion of releases. I've asked the person who claimed this for a list of accounts, productions downvoted and proof of deletion of releases. What did he reply with? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

I could defend myself for weeks, months even, against accusations that people make... instead I just say, if you think I did it, prove it to me and everybody else.

Since you and the rest of your small following cannot do that, I consider this matter concluded.

Lastly, David, when you say this thread should end because I am moving... consider this. I have refrained from posting in the three, even four, threads pertaining to me. Yet Stash continues and will continue to, keep it going.

The world has heard all about the deleted releases for two weeks now. Most people don't care but Stash continues to make sure we don't forget it on a daily basis. Perhaps you should pull your head out of your ass and take a look at how this all began. It began when one of your friends decided he knew who deleted the releases. Two weeks and hundreds of messages later, we still await the real truth.

But hey, like you said, you don't have to prove it was me. I have to prove it wasn't me. Scott Peterson and OJ Simpson eat your heart out lmao.

The population of the village of idiots grows by one more.

In case you haven't noticed David and Laszlo, the cult following you were hoping for hasn't exactly led to people breaking down your doors for support. Given your naive perception of how the world works, the immature name calling in the one-liners, it's easy to see how your cause lost it's momentum. Next time save us all 344 posts and just ask for proof :D

Now then I've got to finish moving furniture...

2006-01-08 22:07

V-12

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 206

I would like to say just one thing. As long as it is all about the Internet communication you will NEVER be sure who is on the 2nd side, who is actually using the computer, who is typing on the keyboard even, if you see the nickname or computer's IP. I remember long time ago sitting in the class-room stuffed with computers and I was typing some words on #c-64. I had to stand up and go away from my computer for a while and some idiot got my keyboard and he started to write some bullshits, for example "I'm gay" etc. When I came back to my computer I just realised, what happened and I had really troubles to prove, that someone else wrote those words... Some of people believed, that I was the author of those words, because there standed my nickname upon the text...

Like with the virtual chat...you are not sure if you are talking with girl or boy or whatever... It's the same here, how you want to prove, that Wanderer deleted something? By checking his IP address or checking the history of deleting files by asking CSDb's admins for it? But that will be NEVER 100% proof ... It could be anyone...

I'm really wonder why you STASH are crying for deleted files and make the war between you and Wanderer. What's so problem to restore the files? What's the problem to lock the files... Moreover, this is quite personal problem, so why you wants to pull in the *whole* scene to this problem? If you will release pile of anti-Wanderer demos and find alot of persons who will start to scream anti-Wanderer slogans, what it will change? Nothing. Better to leave this problem, forget about war and concentrate on the real productions.

Stash - still I understand your angry and frustration... you want to find the man who did that shit. But remember, that some things is really better to prevent, than to counteract...I'm confused, really confused seeing this verbal war between you and Wanderer.

Wanderer: if you really didn't deleted any warez what you're still are trying to prove, please just confess, what really happened. Your explainations seems to be unbelievable, because this pointless discussion is still in the progress. If you will write to me "I did not deleted any warez" I will believe you. Still I'm not blame you because I have no reasons and no proofs and I see no sense of joining this anti-Wanderer's war because it's on the top now.

That was my small opinion, guys, come on, do something creative! PEACE

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