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2002-09-12 17:11

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621

Cracker Charts

I'm starting to get really confused now. Some diskmags, such as Vandalism news, do cracker charts with no points to any fake groups (Lamer Labels) however, Arachnophobia puts fake groups as well as proper groups on to the cracker charts. I don't think lamer labels should be added to the cracker charts, the lamer labels should represent the cracker groups, and they should get points. I think it is very silly the way Arachnophobia does the charts, and that it is right what Onslaught said in Vandalism news, regarding the charts.

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2002-09-15 15:35

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621

Quote: ArachnoPhobia has just another point of view. If every diskmagazine should do the same, then what's the point of having more than one diskmag in the scene... It's a matter of taste and it's also a matter of point of view.

I understand now. Thank you Commander :)

2002-09-15 16:20

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621

(continued)

Please note, I wasn't trying to slag anyone off, regarding the cracker charts.

2002-09-16 22:07

Commander
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Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: if role like to "crack" 2 blocks games it's okay for me but either bonita is too stupid to clean the memory or he intentionally added trash into the memory to make the file longer. either way pretty lame.

Rough, the release was maybe bad... Bad releases have been done by more groups (even Onslaught did do some not 100% releases in the past, mistakes can be done... and Faayd isn't a quality-releaser, we admit that), but that's not the fact here. Fact is that you, Rough, simply believe what somebody else tells you!!! Celtic hasn't seen the release, otherwise he knew that this 45 blocks were including also an intro (like many groups include...)! Rough, have a look at the release yourself!! (you will see that it is a bad release by Faayd, but you will see also that these complaining people are overreacting because that these 45 blocks is the whole file including the intro, not the game only like they are talking about)
Celtic, why didn't you have a look at it...? You probably only saw the comment of Mermaid who did the comment not 100% because she probably didn't like her game to be released by another group. Celtic, wasn't YOU too fast in reacting? And second, I still have the right to say the truth about that fake-releasing. Because Role did release something which some people didn't like, doesn't make that fake groups are neccessary! Or you release it or you don't!
If so-called quality groups like QUALITY, then they also don't think about releasing the so-called crap under another name, I call that a quality group with a mask.
But I understand a lot of you, it's again that kind of elite-crap like always. I've seen this many years, as long as the cracking scene excists. But hell, you can think what you want. But remember, let me also think what I want, okay?
Especially to you, Celtic, who told me that I better didn't say a word about this. It's everybody's right to say his word, or isn't it? Some guys think fake groups are neccessary and some guys think fake groups are masks from quality groups... It's everybody's own opinion.

2002-09-16 23:56

Celtic
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807

Quote: Rough, the release was maybe bad... Bad releases have been done by more groups (even Onslaught did do some not 100% releases in the past, mistakes can be done... and Faayd isn't a quality-releaser, we admit that), but that's not the fact here. Fact is that you, Rough, simply believe what somebody else tells you!!! Celtic hasn't seen the release, otherwise he knew that this 45 blocks were including also an intro (like many groups include...)! Rough, have a look at the release yourself!! (you will see that it is a bad release by Faayd, but you will see also that these complaining people are overreacting because that these 45 blocks is the whole file including the intro, not the game only like they are talking about)
Celtic, why didn't you have a look at it...? You probably only saw the comment of Mermaid who did the comment not 100% because she probably didn't like her game to be released by another group. Celtic, wasn't YOU too fast in reacting? And second, I still have the right to say the truth about that fake-releasing. Because Role did release something which some people didn't like, doesn't make that fake groups are neccessary! Or you release it or you don't!
If so-called quality groups like QUALITY, then they also don't think about releasing the so-called crap under another name, I call that a quality group with a mask.
But I understand a lot of you, it's again that kind of elite-crap like always. I've seen this many years, as long as the cracking scene excists. But hell, you can think what you want. But remember, let me also think what I want, okay?
Especially to you, Celtic, who told me that I better didn't say a word about this. It's everybody's right to say his word, or isn't it? Some guys think fake groups are neccessary and some guys think fake groups are masks from quality groups... It's everybody's own opinion.

Alright, you really do not get the point i was getting to, but maybe my answer was a little short.... Fakelabels are MAINLY for FUN! That's all there is to it. These labels crack the games that their alter-ego in any other group (or how you call em quality-groups) would not crack because it would be LAME to do that..
Take for example 'Astrostorm'. And yes, i have in fact seen it, before i wrote my last comment, so do not gimme shit about that. Astrostorm is a game cracker-groups who like to do quality releases will never crack coz it is simply not good for there reputation. For example it has very little to train (which you did not do) and when the release comes (including the cracker group intro) it will be about 20-25 blocks loinger then the original size... (well you guys managed to make it 40 blocks longer, which is probably because an extensive long intro)...
Btw. after i have seen the release, only then have i seen mermaids comment and saw there was also a sprite bug. If ROLE makes releases nowadays only for diskfilling please stop, try making less releases but quality instead, and you guys have enough, more then enough (*grin*) members who can produce the quality the scene requires...

You are saying the truth about fake-labels, no you are saying YOUR truth on fakelabels. I myself once had fake releases, and many with me will agree, only the fun of doing something completely irrational and against 'scene-tradition' was the reason for doing it, combined with the fact that the public still deserved the lesser quality games.
I aint saying fake-groups are neccessary, i was saying that what you guys did should not have been done, coz it was utterly lameness.
And yes, i think what I want and you are entitled to your opinion, but do not come to me with the 'elite-crap' coz i was never part of it, and it is not the way I am, I was merely displaying my opinion on your comment regarding fakelabels in the cracker charts.
And last but not least, i NEVER asked you to shut up or anything, just bable away if you like, it is your opinion and go ahead, but dont gimme this shit you are displaying to me.

2002-09-17 06:15

White Flame

Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 136

What I don't get is how you can "release" something that's been already released for worldwide free download. And "Original Supply: Faayd", shouldn't that be "Original Supply: Mermaid", since she's the one who uploaded/supplied/released/whatevercrackerterm'd it to the world-wide distribution of the 'net?

2002-09-17 08:28

Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2925

White Flame -

When I was active in the wares scene we didn't release "freeware" - no points were awarded for it so nobody touched it.

These days what is left of the wares scene, with the exception of Onslaught probably, will release anything they can get their hands on and call it a "first release" and a "crack".

Years gone by a group like Role could only get a first release if they coded it themselves...

2002-09-17 14:56

Cupid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83

You guys seriously care about the cracker charts anymore? Give me a break, it is over!

Oldie cracker charts might be a rather pathetic idea to keep the chart section filled.

But the "cracks" coming out nowadays of "new productions" are just a joke. People even "crack" 1k game compo entries...

There is no big market anymore, hence there is no piracy of originals hitting the market, hence there is no cracker scene...

just my two cents

2002-09-17 16:40

Warbaby
Account closed

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 60

Cupid:

As long as people release cracks there's a cracking scene.
Ofcourse it's true that things are different now. It's called EVOLUTION. Look it up, pal.

2002-09-17 22:33

Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829

@cmr: why do you draw conclusions on things which are wrong? I have added Astrostorm and your groups's crack to my encylopaedia page a few days after it has been released, and there is not only intro code in front of the 2K game, but as far as I remember also a good amount trash bytes which give a good amount of the 45blocks, actually the lame intro cannot take 43 blocks, so please look at your own releases first, before you tell others to do, although they have already done.

2002-09-17 22:36

Vengeance
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 22

Maybe we should call it the Releaser charts then.

Theres definately only real cracking coming out from the oldie groups. Except the odd protected release which is normally coder by a scener anyways and thrown in just for fun.

Fake labels, I always though fake labels were to provide the non quality games to the gamers/collectors out there. And to have fun with other groups. (Hi Alphaflight)

Anyways, It tarnishs your own group when you release it under your own label and then some other person goes and throws it out as Bigpiss/Urine. Especially if the Urine version was to be better etc. Urine is just an example, as I mean any fake group in general.

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