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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4734 |
Release id #178287 : Robots Rumble +6D
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Submitted by ZeSmasher [PM] on 28 May 2019
10 print "use the forum for this kind of discussion"
20 print "or better don't use it, same lame topic was discussed 10000 times already"
30 rem "it's a cool game! congratz!"
40 goto 10
run
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 28 May 2019
Dang, could not edit my comment.
Wanted to say that if the game coder wants to train their game that is fine by me.
E$G + HF: ignore the whiners and keep doing nice releases, if you want, add a HF intro, will make it clearer for some, if not: that's fine, you make the decision :D
Oh, and when you catch up with Adam for a beer, make sure to look me up as well! :D
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 28 May 2019
Agree with Didi, I do not recognise this as a HF crack due to no intro or tagging in place. Otherwise, nice version. Ignore the whiners otherwise.
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Submitted by E$G [PM] on 28 May 2019
@Zyron you applied a logic in your answer but as one of the "fastest trainer maker", together with Didi, Faayd and few others you will agree with me that you don't need to be the game coder to easily find at glance where the code has to be changed, the free mem where to put the selection and to link an intro. The pain comes later, intro can leave some dirty bytes and trainers can drunk the code with unexpected crash. So it's not so easy as it seems and 1 is not fair. For all the groups that spend time on c64 for the scene & own satisfaction!
@Adam: a kiss back to you and a beer when I'll visit the land downunder!
@Hedning: I can read Hokuto Force in the dox as DM is a label of and since dox & trainers are not in the other version for me it's an HF effort.
I usually vote for all the scene releases, each one can see my votes. All that is hidden keep the secret on it, until rulez won't change.
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Submitted by Dymo [PM] on 28 May 2019
Well, to me it rather feels like a deluxe-version of a game rather than a crack... or orrie with easter eggs already attached...
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Submitted by Didi [PM] on 28 May 2019
@Mods: If you finally decide to tag this release as Game entry, you may also do with Lala Prologue +4DG and Tenebra Macabre +4D because it's the same circumstances. Both entries are locked.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
Adam: You trained the voting system? :O Damn 1337.
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Submitted by Adam [PM] on 28 May 2019
I voted ten because you're all a bunch of drama queens :)
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
E$G: "downvoting 1 is killing the scene and minimize the voter's intelligence"... Well.. Look who are automatically voting 10. ;)
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Submitted by Zyron [PM] on 28 May 2019
When it comes to cracks I give my votes according to the effort made. Training your own source, not even bothering to put an intro on it can hardly be seen as any effort at all. So what kind of votes did you expect to get for this anyway?
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
It was long ago crackers only used the SYS-line and that is not up to pair with the cracking scene of today. You know this, E$G. This release only exists to keep crackers off, and to avoid a intro in front of it, as Majikeyric hates that. Apart from that I cannot find a HF tag anywhere in the release. Not even in the SYS-line. And am I wrong guessing that the trainers are in the original as well, and just turned on here? Also: no cracker was involved in this release at all to train it. It obviously never left the hands of the game coder. I would argue releasing stuff like this is hurting the spirit of the scene (thus the votes I guess), but you already know where I stand. Zyron is right: this one should be classified as C64 Game as the game coder only made another build of it with trainers included.
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Submitted by E$G [PM] on 28 May 2019
This is not just the game but a trained version. Rulez set a crack just for a sys line changed... 1001, 9009, 1337, 2 chars, an intro, a cracked by ABC in the main game page. We don't waste our time to claim a 1st that can't be, rulez are always changed. So enjoy & play if you like it, but downvoting 1 is killing the scene and minimize the voter's intelligence, usually a secret vote. Beg to differ.
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Submitted by Zyron [PM] on 28 May 2019
This is kind of silly. If you're really going to keep doing this, at least do it properly. Hand it over to one of your crackers, link an intro, release it as proper HF cracks - if that is what you want. Right now it's just a different build of the same game made by Digital Monastery.
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Submitted by E$G [PM] on 28 May 2019
What's wrong with this crack, fully-jeweled trained one? Does the scene wish a usual poor +2? Or it's a matter of 1st release points? Anyway admins&mods can have their amusement break. They can see who is givin' fair votes ;)
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
Why HF? There is no HF-intro; nothing is changed except a trainer option turned on in the code. I would say this does not qualify as a crack in the database, really. It has nothing to do with the cracking scene or warez scene.
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Submitted by Raistlin [PM] on 28 May 2019
Didi: ok, understood. So in terms of votes on this release, we’re voting for the quality of crack rather than for the quality of the game..? That’s how it would normally work. It’s a shame as i’d like to see scene games rated fairly here...
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Submitted by iAN CooG [PM] on 28 May 2019
not the version competing at the RGCD C64 16KB Cartridge Game Development Competition 2019 because it's not even a cart version, Robots Rumble [16kb cartridge] is.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
Didi: exactly why we changed the rules in Propa.
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Submitted by Majikeyric [PM] on 28 May 2019
TRAINER_MENU=1
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Submitted by AlexC [PM] on 28 May 2019
So this is not even a dump from crt but probably a reassembly from source?
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Submitted by Didi [PM] on 28 May 2019
@Raistlin: That was done dozens of time in the past as well.
But as a first release mag editor I would ignore this release as a "crack" because it has no intro linked to it and it seems to be common today that game creators train their games by themselves to spoil the fun for the "crackers" and first release hunters (e.g. Knight Lore, etc.). Add a HF intro and I would accept it as a "crack release" and firstie. This way it is just an extended version of the cartridge release, which adds what did not fit into the size limit.
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Submitted by Raistlin [PM] on 28 May 2019
Wait... cracking your own game? Such skullduggery might even make Onslaught look like proper crackers ;-) |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 854 |
Quote: I guess you are aware you are in a cracking group which does the same to other game devs. Said so, if you don't care about crack releases, you shouldn't be in a cracking group at all. My two cents.
@Dr.Strange: Pure cracking groups don't exist anymore. Most of the active cracking group are borderline on demo scene, magazine editors and game maker. We love this mix as well contributing the best we can.
Action of individual sceners or team are always under the electric eye of the scene that can judge the difference between politics and real fun. We go for the second for a great satisfaction guarantEEd, in pure freedom with a clever organizers conduction & supervision! |
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Giulio/Wolf
Registered: Apr 2016
Posts: 18 |
What a drama. I don't know if I have to start to cry or to laugh. I'm 100% with Majikeyric.
The "First Release Rush" and the points system is simply a game for childrens. There are tons of oldies that still could be cracked and released properly but it seems the vast majority of groups focuses on releasing incomplete previews and so on. My opinion.
HF is a good team... every member is free to do his own things and discuss with other members his jobs. All is always supervisioned and shared with all other members before releasing. |
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The Overkiller
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Let's repeat it another time (damn ... again ...)
1) DM is not a separate group, a sub group or whatever. It's just a label name for the games produced or sponsorized by Hokuto Force. Seems clear to me but something sci-fi for the rest...
2) Everytime I uploaded an entry like that I always tagged HF only and GAME. It's not a crack, it's the way our coder (Eric) want to release it. But of course others edit the entry and start messing changing the tag to crack (because there're trainers? C'omn....) and adding DM (and creating also an entry for DM which there's no reason it exist).
Maybe it's time I start to lock again the entries I upload at this point.
So, in short terms: these entry are HF only and C64GAME. Period! |
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CSixx
Registered: Jan 2013
Posts: 12 |
Quote: Why I do that :
I coded a game some years ago and spent a big lot of time on it, when I released it, it was cracked at light speed by the usual C64 cracking groups.
All the articles I could read about my game on Retro game sites only talked about and credited the crackers. never mentioning the poor guy behind the game having spent hundred hours on it when the cracker has just trained an unprotected game and intro linked it in 10 minutes.
SO NOW IT'S MY TURN TO SPOIL THE FUN OF CRACKERS.
And I don't care about crack release, if there was a Trained game category I would have adopted it.
First I selected the "C64 Game" category with my previous releases but it is always changed to "C64 Crack" so ....
You can debate as much as you want...
For someone who hates the scene so much, I wonder why you bother here... |
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Majikeyric
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 83 |
Fortunately there are a lot more interesting things in the C64 scene than some poor frustrated crackers..... |
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Doc Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 101 |
Quote: Fortunately there are a lot more interesting things in the C64 scene than some poor frustrated crackers.....
And now we are insulting too. I think you should be building you reputation before using that kind of comments in public here. You don't belong here, believe me. But again, HF seems to be ok you insulting other fellow sceners. Ah, btw in your group there are crackers too. I am sure they are happy to be called "poor and frustrated" by you.
Good luck, our conversation ends here. |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 854 |
I'm not a lawyer but first of all Majikeyric really like the scene in his totality and he is not referring to all the crackers past, present & future. So please don't manipulate the words and their meaning.
He talked about his release, a release that has been downvoted and the way was built that can't feed the 1st scene releasers. No crackers were bugged in this thread! If you like it play it, otherwise there are a bunch of other games to play with. Peace & love. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1045 |
Well done Majikeyric!
Nice work. All he is doing is uploading a trained game he has made. Big deal.
Question: who is changing the labeling? That seems to be causing the drama? Are the entries locked so the mods are changing the labeling?
***YAWN*** |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4734 |
Quote: Well done Majikeyric!
Nice work. All he is doing is uploading a trained game he has made. Big deal.
Question: who is changing the labeling? That seems to be causing the drama? Are the entries locked so the mods are changing the labeling?
***YAWN***
The allknowing master of the everything has spoken. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
hey Moloch, you know what to do! :) |
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