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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
Group id #4823 : GO64
What's next? Adding RUN, Compute's Gazette, AHOY, Cee-64 Alive, etc.
Did GO64 actually do something other than releasing a commercial paper magazine?
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Didn't I explain the term "scene" and what belongs to it once before? Do you folks wish me to state it again just for the sake of clarity? Ok, here we go -
A scener is a person actively participating in (or aiming towards participating in) what we tend to call the scene. The scene is a pretty open structure in itself, but it seems to have some restrictions. First of all, there is a tradition of using handles, aliases ment for shrouding your identity, creating a myth and distancing it from the ordinary world out there. In the old days these handles were a pure necessity for the illegal side of the scene, to obscure their identity from softwarehouses and their legal actions.
Furthermore, the scene has very little connection to the commercial interests of the C-64 community, even if notable exceptions are known to have existed. The best example of this might be the people active on the Compunet, a forum which developed the demo and which spawned a lot of creating people making games. Ash+Dave, Ian+Mic, Reptilia Designs, Bob Stevenson and Dokk might be mentioned. But eventhough these individual persons might be seen as sceners, the companies they joined or built are not.
Third, people involved in the scene usually has an active focus on either the legal (demo) scene, the illegal (cracking) scene or both. Lately, we even got a kind of hangaround sceners who mostly mouth their opinions on webforums and IRC. These show an interest in participating in the above mentioned events, although are to lazy or busy bragging about themseves to participate.
As a scener, you usually have a role to fulfill, organizing yourselves into groups. Groups are the very fundement of the scene. A group is usually a tight-knit constellation of people with different functions. In my case, I am concidered a graphician (and in rare occations cracker and musician), but you can be a coder, musician, trader - any function that furthers the groups interest towards the legal or illegal scene.
To clarify my statement:
GO64 does not fit in within any of the above cathegories. This is the case because GO64 is a commercial magazine. Not a scene-based magazine. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Thank you Twoflower and it was a good idea to post "your"
definition here about scene, like in the other moloch thread about cccc. But i don't agree.
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
I think you misunderstand me. The above definition of the scene is what a big majority of the former and current C-64 sceners would describe as "the scene". I would even dare to say that as much as 95% of the scene would agree with me on the above statement. Your opinion is a minority opinion in this case - here and elsewhere. You are entitled to have your opinions about this scene, and i'm glad you do - but don't think for a minute that your ideas are shared by the majority of the sceners here and elsewhere, because they aren't.
Be aware that you clearly are acting from a minority-perspective - and while you're doing that, know that you are working towards the general current of users here, not with it. |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Quote: I think you misunderstand me. The above definition of the scene is what a big majority of the former and current C-64 sceners would describe as "the scene". I would even dare to say that as much as 95% of the scene would agree with me on the above statement. Your opinion is a minority opinion in this case - here and elsewhere. You are entitled to have your opinions about this scene, and i'm glad you do - but don't think for a minute that your ideas are shared by the majority of the sceners here and elsewhere, because they aren't.
Be aware that you clearly are acting from a minority-perspective - and while you're doing that, know that you are working towards the general current of users here, not with it.
I'm still wondering, why these threads.. ?
If anything here is added and don't belong here then the
CSDB owners will send an info and it can be removed ?
Where is the problem about that and to have another point of view, sharing with others f.e. born before you or a scener before you..
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:If anything here is added and don't belong here then the CSDB owners will send an info and it can be removed ?
csdb "owners" (ie perff) for obvious reason can't review all and everything that is added, so if someone notices something debatable he starts a thread about it. simple eh? |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Quote: Quote:If anything here is added and don't belong here then the CSDB owners will send an info and it can be removed ?
csdb "owners" (ie perff) for obvious reason can't review all and everything that is added, so if someone notices something debatable he starts a thread about it. simple eh?
Wrong, my CCCC entry was deleted before there was a thread..
And i'm really sure they have a closer eye on the stuff added here.. ;-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:Wrong, my CCCC entry was deleted before there was a thread..
maybe because it wasnt even debatable?
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Quote: Quote:Wrong, my CCCC entry was deleted before there was a thread..
maybe because it wasnt even debatable?
They thought it wasn't but as you can read after six statement it was for them, like for me.. And maybe for others quiet and not saying a word here or in other threads but adding stuff,
or sending p.m.'s or doing something.. ;)
After this thread NINJASBANE left and another guy..
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Yoko Tv Inc.
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Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 68 |
Oh my god !! what a loss !!
2 morons less ... nah .. doesnt make a huge difference ... there are so many left ...
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