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2007-09-24 10:24

Rough
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My suggestion for adding intros

Okay, I've made up the following concept.

When someone adds a new release and he chooses C64 Crack there should be an extra
menu/prompt popping up at the edit screen

saying..

SEARCH INTRO (style like searching for a person)

you can check if it is the proper intro, if YES and the credits of the used intro are accurate to the ones in the database you just click it to have a link from the crack to the intro and vice versa

if the intro wasnt in the database yet or uses a char, music etc. which isnt credited yet on its intro page

you may edit following:

Name: (as mostly intros names are unknown I'd say we either call them like GROUPNAME INTRO or GROUPNAME INTRO 01, 02 etc....
Aka: e.g. if an intro has a special name which doesnt indicate its originating group this is the place to write GROUPNAME INTRO
Released at: not sure if this shall be implented, but some cracks were released at parties, if that info is important for the intro..
Release date: should name the date of the crack this intro got released first
Pouet ID: does Pouet take intros? if yes, this option aswell

Upload Screenshot from this Intro (I personally prefer a screenshot from the very first use)
Released by groups and sceners: at the entries of the intros I already uploaded I did not add this cos they are no official releases, nevertheless it could be interesting when intros were done by someone else than its group e.g. several 711 intros (Tera, Light..) still this should be usually be part of the credits when they would be 100% accurate, meaning having exact joining/leaving dates but this is an utopian wish. 8)
Credits:
Coding, Graphics, Charset, Music, PAL/NTSC fix, Text (anything else?)
now it gets tricky!
It should be possible to alter the release date for each entered credit, e.g. in the Hotline Intro with the different appearances (mostly used by C&C Hotline Intro 28) they first used JCH's X-Ray and later Edwin's Groove is in the Heart, having 'Groove is in the Heart' credited on the same day as the first use of the intro would be stupid, it's probably havent been composed on that day yet.
Difficulties occuring: If the newer music is by the same guy as the earlier one...

Shall every intro use be credited? I say no, this would follow to enormous lists e.g. on Woodo/Fairlight or David M. Hanlon being credited a 100 times for one intro, first use is enough.
Events which this releae contains information about (hm, part of the intro or of the crack....)

SIDs ûsed in this release
obviously the release date of each used SID should be changeable manually too! Release dates for SIDs are used on their particular page which lists all the releases they were used inside at the bottom of the page, not using individual release credit date would mess up the correct chronological order of the list

Cracks this intro was used for:
shall be able to merge with the proper crack, in the usual mode (searching, new crack blabla)

Download Links:
Several options
a) none
b) all the cracks this been used for, is interesting and quicker to download than going to all the pages this intro was used on, often used intros like Fairlight's Woodo could be bundled up in a .RAR archive (someone's gotta take care of that, cos they need to be updated... me?!)
c) the ripped intro like on Zyron's site, I personally dislike this option, but it seems to be liked by many sceners, besides it could also be linked to the proper page on intros.c64.org

Upload file (concludes from b+c above)

Reason for not adding a download link (dito)

Shall the intro credit pop in a sceners profile? Yes, but only once, at first use

Shall the intro credit pop in a groups profile? Not sure about that, it was never released like a demo/crack, still could be interesting in that case when e.g. Tera did an intro for 711..

Furthermore I strongly support an original/ripped use of e.g. char, music checker! Both for release and sceners/groups, in the later the ripped credits could be set up in an own list below the original credits list

- suggestions, improvements, criticism, insisting on wrong conclusions in my argumentation, contradictions? let me know

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2007-09-24 19:53

Rough
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WIP, Gröpi!

2007-09-25 09:22

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
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my idea with adding game originals was something like discussed in this thread.

you lookup a game, and then you can see the cracks associated with it, order them in time to see which group cracked it 1st, 2nd, etc,etc, and not least you can check out even the original version.

2007-09-25 09:54

Rough
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I'll support that idea. Even if the scene crybabies will take their stand again with "NOOOOOOOOOO. ITZ NOOOOOTO SCEEEEENE RELAITED".
There's the option to disfunction demo/cracks in the personal options, so an option to disable Originals for those who are strictly against it should be an easy trick.

adding .G64 and .TAP files, why not? why so narrow minded, it's 2007, plenty of web space, and it's fun

2007-09-25 10:58

wreg
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i support this idea as well, and i know there will be trouble :-)

we first need this general 'make something invisible'-system so there wont be to much hussle... those new categories could be hidden by default, and each user would have to switch those back on if he'd like to see them

imo: the more there is in the database, the better

2007-09-25 13:42

Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461

I agree with Rough's idea about not adding them as he said. Its not scene related stuff.

Let other sites handle this impossible task. You need to find out which original the crack were done on, then you need coverscan, docs etc. Worst task is to find out what cracks belongs which original - noone can be sure if e.g. Illusion cracked it from a different distribution than Legend did.

Adding extra data as you mention will be better, but you need to be sure they are accurate.

2007-09-25 14:02

Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799

Quote: I agree with Rough's idea about not adding them as he said. Its not scene related stuff.

Let other sites handle this impossible task. You need to find out which original the crack were done on, then you need coverscan, docs etc. Worst task is to find out what cracks belongs which original - noone can be sure if e.g. Illusion cracked it from a different distribution than Legend did.

Adding extra data as you mention will be better, but you need to be sure they are accurate.

Err... if I understood correctly, Rough DOES want to have them added.
I too like it the way Oswald describes... you can NEVER have enough information :)

2007-09-25 14:41

Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461

How would you make sure its the original that the groups actually did the crack from and not some local distribution?

2007-09-25 16:41

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384

regardless of what my personal opinion about adding originals is.... forget that idea. come back in a year or two. the database structure and the site as such can't deal with it properly right now, and there are many more small things that should be fixed before even thinking about expanding the site even more. (quality over quantity is the key here).

2007-09-26 04:39

Rough
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Posts: 1829

Yeah, Mason got me wrong, I support the idea of adding originals. I also understand Groepaz' p.o.v. that there is much other things to do at the moment and seeing that there are plenty of other sites which distribute .taps/.g64 and corresponding scans it's surely not a hurry.

And, Mason, about the very correct linking to which original was used, in most cases it's fucking uninteresting cause the files were the very same (exceptions are in differences of tape/disk version e.g. Ace 2 or Euro/American distribtuion, easy to differ thou), when it's from a budget re-release it mostly can be seen at the release year and like myself you know very good that from 1991+ often "cracks" were done from 250 blocks whole mem saves spread among the scene, so in fact those were neither cracked, nor were they even from a proper 100% original-

2007-09-26 04:48

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384

i cracked from (usually incomplete and non working) backups even before that :)

mason has a good point though. it might be not always that obvious, but originals DID differ depending on when and where they were released. i noticed that when examining originals and various cracks of bmx simulator...you'd be surprised how many different distributions of that damned game existed :)

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