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stash
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 343 |
wandere deleats warez from others!!
wtf is this. i was browsing the SWA side i found out that this
pig wanderer has deleted all of our uploaded warez.. for what reason are u so incompetent to do a demo to rag back on crudsmoker or what is ur problem.. stay away take this as a wrning,,
and to the csdb admns why don´t any one do something about this when people start deleting other peoples stuff?? |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Well, it is not actually attacking the admin, it is more asking them to do their job a bit more. This isn't the first time all of this has happened. Something needs to be done otherwise it will keep happening.
In regards to locking releases, yes - this is done, but when the user also hacks an account that maintains the locked release? These actions call for harsh penalties and allowing someone who violates these simple moral obligations to continue unpunished is a bit too weak in my and other people's opinions. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Quote:think of all the manhours they've put into creating this database
I've spent an enormous amount of time here uploading releases, typing credits, correcting/completing entries, connecting groups with sceners' & figuring out connections between old & new handles through scrolltext reading etc so when I once again see entries getting deleted without any further conseqeuences it worries me alot.
So I'm on a hold at the moment. |
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Wanderer
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Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 478 |
Quote: Well, it is not actually attacking the admin, it is more asking them to do their job a bit more. This isn't the first time all of this has happened. Something needs to be done otherwise it will keep happening.
In regards to locking releases, yes - this is done, but when the user also hacks an account that maintains the locked release? These actions call for harsh penalties and allowing someone who violates these simple moral obligations to continue unpunished is a bit too weak in my and other people's opinions.
>and allowing someone who violates these simple moral
>obligations to continue unpunished is a bit too weak in my
>and other people's opinions.
In order to punish someone, you need to know who to punish.
Let's pretend that I uploaded a demo called "Anti-Jazzcat".
Two days later it's deleted when I notice someone hacked into my email account. Another CSDB user came to your defense, without being asked, without provocation, and deleted it. They then messaged you to tell you about this. You appreciate the gesture although you know undoubtedly you will take the blame.
You mention in the forums that someone deleted it. You won't say whom. I then go around like a chicken without a head crying for justice.
Who do we punish? You - for refusing to name the person involved or the actual person who did it? Both?
Consider that you are not able to control other people's actions nor did you ask for them to do this. Unless I can prove that you : (a) asked somebody to delete a release (b) you were directly involved in said deletion, there is no point in my demanding justice.
What would I do? Say "Jazzcat knows who did it, or because he won't say it must have been him... yes, yes, yes!!! We must light the torches, grab the pitchforks and burn him at the stake".
No. I'm not responsible for anybody else deleting a release any more than you are. It's admirable how you're standing up for your Aussie friends, but your logic is coming from your ass.
Just as well, this thread and the others is dwindling. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: >and allowing someone who violates these simple moral
>obligations to continue unpunished is a bit too weak in my
>and other people's opinions.
In order to punish someone, you need to know who to punish.
Let's pretend that I uploaded a demo called "Anti-Jazzcat".
Two days later it's deleted when I notice someone hacked into my email account. Another CSDB user came to your defense, without being asked, without provocation, and deleted it. They then messaged you to tell you about this. You appreciate the gesture although you know undoubtedly you will take the blame.
You mention in the forums that someone deleted it. You won't say whom. I then go around like a chicken without a head crying for justice.
Who do we punish? You - for refusing to name the person involved or the actual person who did it? Both?
Consider that you are not able to control other people's actions nor did you ask for them to do this. Unless I can prove that you : (a) asked somebody to delete a release (b) you were directly involved in said deletion, there is no point in my demanding justice.
What would I do? Say "Jazzcat knows who did it, or because he won't say it must have been him... yes, yes, yes!!! We must light the torches, grab the pitchforks and burn him at the stake".
No. I'm not responsible for anybody else deleting a release any more than you are. It's admirable how you're standing up for your Aussie friends, but your logic is coming from your ass.
Just as well, this thread and the others is dwindling.
"No. I'm not responsible for anybody else deleting a release any more than you are. It's admirable how you're standing up for your Aussie friends, but your logic is coming from your ass."
At least his logic is not full of pretentious joviality covering the desperate urge to slip out of responsibility. ;-) |
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CyberBrain
Administrator
Posts: 392 |
I know what you're saying - we should have made an example out of him. Maybe we should, but the decision was already made 2 weeks ago so i think it is a bit too late to change it now (and in our experience this is a good way to deal with this kind of situation, unless the person is hostile - and as you see it has worked in this case aswell).
Maybe i didn't stress enough, that this was not just one more chance, this was his last chance.
I think it would be cowardly of us to change our old verdict to protect ourselves from public lynching - so we'll probably just go with the lynching. :/
Quoting Jazzcat
Someone hacked csdb, deleted locked entries, and got away with it. No thanks.
Captures it all really.
People support this site, why can't this site support the people?
Maybe we do. If you want, you can consider it damage control.
I would rather not explain this in more detail, but with a little knowledge of the net, it should be possible to figure out what i mean.
Perff is working on a system, to make CSDb much safer against this kind of stuff.
And let me tell you, his ideas sounds really cool. :)
There is much more that could be said about this, but let me just not.
In the future maybe we should ban immediately, no matter what. |
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CyberBrain
Administrator
Posts: 392 |
Quoting Wanderer<snip>
Wanderer, i think enough has been said on this subject. You have allready said what you wanted to say. |
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Wanderer
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 478 |
Quote: Quoting Wanderer<snip>
Wanderer, i think enough has been said on this subject. You have allready said what you wanted to say.
As I said in my PM, if the others involved agree to stop, so shall I :)
I've always been agreeable to that... |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
and I say peace luuuurv and rock 'n roll to all of ya 8)
secretman slarti wanderer stash jazzcat I think u all secretly love eachother
well I do
(",)
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Wanderer
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 478 |
I had a Belgian beer once. Honestly I could have used it as engine oil. I couldn't even see through it, it was THAT thick. :)
There was another thick beer called Satan, I kid you not. I think it was a product of Belgium too.
I'm going into a 24 hour posting lock down now... be back when the smoke clears. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Wanderer: deny it all you want to but I guess the admin have warned you for a reason. You can deny that reason too but in the end you can only believe yourself, what other people believe is totally out of your control, no matter how many lengthy posts you make regarding the matter.
Hopefully all this won't happen again. As it really does affect those supporting this site. Remember last time it happened? This is the second time now. How many times does it have to happen.
Anyway, nice to see the admin at least posting about this and that actual consideration is being taken. That's a start. |
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