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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Votesystem FAIL
OK, so why the vote system still exists, especially after all the devastating things it produces, is absolutely way beyond me.
It's rarely a representation of an objective, summarized opinion of the community. Either it's a playground for immature ding-dong fights I've had the luck to experience the last time in kindergarten, or it's simply a place for good old fashioned circlejerks.
I second Scout. At least I second the notion that this isn't really a place where I'd like to spend my spare time.
The constant pop-ups of topics considering the defecting vote-system is clearly a sign of something not working here the way it should. And yet, the cry ups keep getting ignored. For years.
Captain obvious is here to present you two options. One is to finally fix it, the other is to remove it for good. The latter one would be probably the best for all of us. And I think I'm speaking in the name of 99% of CSDb users here when I say that. Time to realize we are not IMDb with hundreds of millions of users, where a similar voting model works (more or less). Here, it's flawed and it simply fails on many, many levels
Pretty pretty please. Dudes who make and administer this site. Your work is fucking damn appreciated. I'd suck of all of you without a single second of consideration.
But for fucks sake. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
agreed,
BUT:
why filter out votes?
Once there is an all-time-best chart we dont need that:
vote 1 == I dont like it - no matter if its a 'down'vote
vote 10 == I like it, even if its his/her own groupmate |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting enthusiagreed,
BUT:
why filter out votes?
Once there is an all-time-best chart we dont need that:
vote 1 == I dont like it - no matter if its a 'down'vote
vote 10 == I like it, even if its his/her own groupmate
Wait, so your idea, the all time best would actually replace the old votesystem? Or the charts and the (improved) old votesystem would co-exist? How many types of charts would we have around here? Honestly, I don't follow any more =) |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
2 systems in parallel.
1) best-of charts based on fav-list
2) rating for each release (more or less like before) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Ah, I get it.
Well, the "unnatural-vote" filtering already exists on releases so the idea I proposed would only make it a tiny bit better (if at all), but I see your point. Fine with me, then. |
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Stone
Registered: Oct 2006
Posts: 172 |
I think this all depends on what you want from the votesystem. This is obviously going to be something different for everybody. Since I've been away from the scene for many many years, I would like to see what I've missed out on. So all-time top-lists (more than top 10) for demos, sids (categorized perhaps?) and so on would be a good starting point. As I start voting myself, I could perhaps have scores weighted for instance by groups/composers that I like (determined by my voting record) or that I would potentially like (determined by the voting record of others with similar taste to my own). What you would get from this is a sort of perzonalized top-list, probably similiar to how online stores and music sites make recommendations for you.
Come to think of it, this has more to do with search functionality than the actual voting system... Well, never mind, just brainstorming. |
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yonx
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 31 |
perhaps this could be something
http://www.thebroth.com/blog/118/bayesian-rating
it compensates for lack of votes by weighing releases with few votes towards the site-average thus making downvotes on such productions less powerful, works pretty good where i have seen it in action.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
Quote:Considering filtering out the unusual votes. I don't know if you've implemented this yet: filtering out not just the unusually too low/high votes from a certain release, but also filtering out the votes from those users who have an unusual number of too low/high votes without a natural spread around the mid-range. That won't help all the time, right, but could help in some special cases. Edit: just popped into my mind, this would filter out Groepaz, so he'll probably oppose this idea =)
two thing:
a) i know how the filtering works, and i know that a lot of my votes ARE filtered already :) infact i could give my votes 100% more statistical impact by dileberatly voting differently, but i dont care enough really :)
b) i am still very much against filtering. it doesnt help much at all, and its a big statistical nono too. with 10 votes on an entry, filtering wont make the numbers less meaningless =P
another thing that hasnt been mentioned yet: there is another big flaw in the system.... people can see the result of the votes before they voted themselves. that should be changed, if you didnt vote on something, then you shouldnt be able to see the result at all. this might also increase the number of people who actually vote :) oh and, you obviously shouldnt be able to change your vote either, thats kinda stupid. (or make it so that you can change it only after some weeks or so)
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
a) make the faves list have 20 entries, I can easily fill that with demos and sids.
b) no filtering
c) let me se other's faves
d) making voting more easyer would make me vote more often, currently its awkward. :) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Groepaza) i know how the filtering works, and i know that a lot of my votes ARE filtered already :) infact i could give my votes 100% more statistical impact by dileberatly voting differently, but i dont care enough really :)
Right, I also realized that since the filtering function was implemented a 3/4 or 8/9 often serves similarly fine as a down/upvote when a 1 or 10 is not registered thanks to the filter.
Quoting Groepazpeople can see the result of the votes before they voted themselves. that should be changed, if you didnt vote on something, then you shouldnt be able to see the result at all. this might also increase the number of people who actually vote :)
Great idea, I wouldn't mind to see this implemented as well.
Quoting Groepazoh and, you obviously shouldnt be able to change your vote either, thats kinda stupid. (or make it so that you can change it only after some weeks or so)
I often change a vote when a certain release grows on me. But yes, I make up my mind during weeks or months or years. So yes, I kinda dig this idea as well. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote:Considering the rest, I second Enthusi and Linus. Except the AJAX thing. :) That won't work too well on boxes with FF/NoScript or simply turned of JS support.
There are ways to downgrade gracefully in less-capable browsers, that shouldn´t be much of a problem. |
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