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BAR.
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Release id #49248 : Presence Packerpack (fixed)
Hello and welcome,
as you could read in the statemens and in my infos about the release. This is a bugfix. The stock is dead but the bugs still around us... ;)
The Stock
Violator's comment is a welcome to me.
Because i asked myself the same question.
Please before you answer here check some of the fixes,
Dizzy Devil or others did for the stock and now this one.
Because my question is to you all:
HOW TO ADD A BUGFIXED VERSION TO CSDB ?
1. add all infos about..
2. add only bugfix and your group
3. don't add bugfix stuff beware for your own and friends..
4. which releasedate ? (Day of bugfixed, day of original..)?
4. own ideas how to do that ?
OK, feel free to post your comments,
so that i can learn what today counts..
As some guys at CSDB are irritated by myself,
i'm really sorry about but i was irritated by you, too.
The onces who know me better, know that i hate so called wars and any kind of that shit, which is called ELITE or
something like that...
PEACE to anyone in 2007 loving the Commodore 64/128 !
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:
1. add all infos about..
2. add only bugfix and your group
3. don't add bugfix stuff beware for your own and friends..
4. which releasedate ? (Day of bugfixed, day of original..)?
- there should be proper complete credits
- such release should be added under the group/scener that released it and with the releasedate of the bugfix. it should NOT be added as a release of the original group or with the original date. if the original was bugged then thats the way it is, and it should be added in its original form. *replacing* old bugged releases by their bugfixed versions is a big nono, imho.
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
Quote: Quote:
1. add all infos about..
2. add only bugfix and your group
3. don't add bugfix stuff beware for your own and friends..
4. which releasedate ? (Day of bugfixed, day of original..)?
- there should be proper complete credits
- such release should be added under the group/scener that released it and with the releasedate of the bugfix. it should NOT be added as a release of the original group or with the original date. if the original was bugged then thats the way it is, and it should be added in its original form. *replacing* old bugged releases by their bugfixed versions is a big nono, imho.
I agree with Groepaz. I always thought it was wrong to add releases from the stock like it has been added here. Just one example:
Summer Code III. This was not a Flash Inc. and The Stock release. There should be a seperate release from the Stock with the bug-fix credit and the date it was bug fixed. It's even impossible since the stock was formed in 1996 and this release is from 1989. There are atleast 6 more releases like this from the stock before the group was even born. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
maybe there should be a way to tag a download link as "bugfix", or some other way to link the original release and the bugfixed one so it can be seen easily that a release has certain problems which have been fixed? PEEEEEERFFFF.....
and yes, those bugfixes shouldnt be added as "groupXYZ and the stock" releases, because they are not (at makes it look like the original release was a coop, which is wrong)
that said, a new releasetype "bugfix" could be added aswell... |
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BAR.
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Thank you very much for your comments.
Did some chances now, if you like more contact me for the onces i'm maintainer of.
1. removed other groups as releasegroup
2. set right date
3. removed other credits
4. removed other links so only the link to our release
is there..
Feel free to upload the bugging versions and to set a link to our release.
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wreg
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in my conclusion:
we now have to remove most cracking groups from ntsc-pal-'bug' -fixes
for example we have to remove illusion as release-group from Popeye 2 +2FM ...
yeah, i know this is pretty odd, just for you to think about it for a bit :-) |
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BAR.
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Quote: in my conclusion:
we now have to remove most cracking groups from ntsc-pal-'bug' -fixes
for example we have to remove illusion as release-group from Popeye 2 +2FM ...
yeah, i know this is pretty odd, just for you to think about it for a bit :-)
The difference is that mostly you can't see the fix in our
versions. The stock never linked intros in front of the
other stuff. ;)
The reason for our comments if we add releases here.
The reason for our dirstamp on some releases..
As some of our members were no sceners (KES, WS,
IMPERATOR, DATALAND, others..)
They were removed with the others until we have a clear
statement about our "commercial group".
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BAR.
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Bloempjes & Bytjes [bugfixed]
Is this better now ?
The groups should do now all own entries and i would like to
hear your voice here if the stock, ptv, go64 worth an entry..
THE STOCK had non related peoples working for us..
THE STOCK sold their fixes as the original productions, with the bugs, were public domain, no one could say something about our work.
THE STOCK wouldn't be the STOCK without the people
like IMPERATOR, WERNER-SOFT, KES, DATALAND behind..
If DATALAND is no scener shouldn't his entry been deleted also.. ? But if so you can't give him the worth credits for
Find another way or Saddam.. ONLY DONE FOR SOME OF US
BUT NOT FOR THE SCENE !
question after question but i hope you understand why
i ask you to think deeper...
For GO64 and PTV you should think about the sceners doing it, you can't match this with a real softwarecompany in my eyes...
FEEL FREE TO POST USEFUL STATEMENTS FOR THE ADMINS AND US !
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:THE STOCK sold their fixes as the original productions, with the bugs, were public domain, no one could say something about our work.
you should get informed about copyright law, especially in germany. to make it short, "public domain" doesnt exist in germany. also, a demo isn't public domain (in countries where public domain exists) at all unless their creators explictly said so (and that was the case for very very few demos). the vast majority would qualify as freeware, not public domain.
that basically makes (probably) most of your releases unauthorized altered versions of copyrighted work (yes, freeware is still copyrighted), which you even sold. great :)
and as for that entry you linked to, its a silicon ltd release. period |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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I agree with you Groepaz. But if we say that the alterations were made under fair-use and the credit was given where credit was due, the fixers still can get credit for the fixing.
The authors get the credit for the software, the fixers for the fixing.
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And even when german law wouldn't count with "fair-use", I'm sure it's decent way how to handle the current situation of having fixes made without permission from the authors. |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
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As you can see this is a bugfix version done by Dizzy Devil.
This is also like you would like to have it..
What's wrong now ?
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