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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Release id #93168 : CSDb Quantify Me
does this belong here? |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197 |
A simple link to a site that will be gone in some year i'd say no. Even the "content" is questionable, making some stats from csdb uploads does not reflect what's really out there, 50% of the cracks aswell as hundreds if not thousands of demos and mags are not even uploaded here so the stats are just a wild guess.
If it's really a concern to someone to have it as a csdb entry, make a proper release and upload it. If not a c64 production, at least a pdf. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
The stats are just a wild guess? Let me teach you something about statistics. It's the law of size of the data. I do not claim the numbers to be exact in an absolute way. But approx 75.000 releases is more than large enough to show the curves I've shown to represent the relative positions. I am not interested in absolute numbers, it's the proportions and distributions I am mostly interested in. I am certain you are not going to find another 88.000 genuine scene releases from the past, and even if you would, there is no reason to assume that it would effect the distributions and proportions in a big way. Sure, there may be a few slight shifts, but nothing that would make the current figures a "wild guess". I find it rather insulting. I am not claiming 100% accuracy, as I also wrote in the text itself, far from it.
I am more than happy to delete the entry as a release. [EDIT] Oh wait, Marauder uploaded a PDF?
[EDIT2] Yes he did. Looks nice. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197 |
Anyone is entitled of his opinion. Or have I to ask your permission to express what I think of it? To me this kind of stuff is just a nice article for a mag, as a standalone release it's not belonging here. But that's just me, moderators will decide.
While at it, can I convert to text some article *I think* it's interesting and upload it here as a release? ;*) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
You know, that last comment is just blowing this thing totally out of proportion and into something else. Of couse everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. But what I show is CSDb raw data, and not some opinion. Dry stats. That is all. This is CSDb is it not? Yes it is. And so exceptionally relevant, imho. |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Quote: The stats are just a wild guess? Let me teach you something about statistics. It's the law of size of the data. I do not claim the numbers to be exact in an absolute way. But approx 75.000 releases is more than large enough to show the curves I've shown to represent the relative positions. I am not interested in absolute numbers, it's the proportions and distributions I am mostly interested in. I am certain you are not going to find another 88.000 genuine scene releases from the past, and even if you would, there is no reason to assume that it would effect the distributions and proportions in a big way. Sure, there may be a few slight shifts, but nothing that would make the current figures a "wild guess". I find it rather insulting. I am not claiming 100% accuracy, as I also wrote in the text itself, far from it.
I am more than happy to delete the entry as a release. [EDIT] Oh wait, Marauder uploaded a PDF?
[EDIT2] Yes he did. Looks nice.
Personally I definitely think this is an interesting release. As for statistical validity, I'd say that the numbers from 1986-2000 probably are on the low side. As the releases become more recent, people are more likely to still have copies, and of course almost all recent releases are uploaded directly to CSDb.
Still, that doesn't really alter the main point of the graph -- showing what the most active years were... |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
yeah i'm with this being an interesting addition to this database.
even more so if the hard figures can be matched against historical events.
if this isnt valid as a 64 file then perhaps this database needs another section like the "support files" section over at World of Spectrum.
Steve |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Way to go to delete the release guys, nice. Absolutely brilliant behaviour. Tonight I will definitely drink to your good health. It is such a tough job, but you perform it extremely well and I can only admire every move you make.
Oh, I have an idea, perhaps you should now concern yourself with finding out the release dates of those thousands of undated releases here at CSDb. Would aid my further analyses.
Sorry Marauder, but rest assured your effort was not in vain as I've uploaded the PDF you created to Xentax. Thanks also to all the rest of you that do appreciate the hard work that I've put into that. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
We understand you have put a lot of work into it, but I'd really HATE to see CSDb degrading to a repository of articles about the scene. I'd rather have the scene dead, than that. |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 255 |
Can't this document be added to the Statistics page of CSDb somehow? I can't see any strong arguments against it belonging in there.
(If you're worried about CSDb degrading, how about doing something about the fact that every single revision of every tool out there are being added as a separate release?)
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197 |
because the rules says so, and has a logic: overwriting an old release with something newer is like history revisionism. New version, new entry. |
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