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2005-10-19 11:11
celticdesign

Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 152
c64music editor for pc?

hi there,

is there any musiceditor you can work on a c64 emulator with 100% sid emulation? or is there any tracker with 100% sid-compatibility on pc available?

after my inactive period of around 13 years i really would like to start to work on some tunes again.

keep on rockin' it.......
2005-10-19 11:27
Soren
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547
The sid engines used in c64 emulators and sidplay are still not 100%. It's manily the filters that are quite wrong. But still it seems that many people make sid music in emulators.

You can find several c64 music editors here on csdb..
Search for JCH or SDI (Sid Duzz It) just to name some good ones. If you want a c64 editor that doesn't use a c64 emulator
you should try the one(s) by Cadaver, called Goattracker:
Cadaver

or a direct link to his newest one:
http://cadaver.homeftp.net/tools/goattrk2.zip

Hope that's enough to get you started again :-)
2005-10-19 14:54
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1163
Also try RawGoat v2.0 if you want somewhat low rastertime (less than full GT2.x) but still somewhat good wave/pulse/filter stepprogramming:

http://covertbitops.c64.org/tools/rawgoat.zip
2005-10-19 21:33
Oxbow

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 51
does a goattracker-for-dummies manual exist?
tried to find it, but whenever I read about attack, sustain and release I get lost.. should stick to the VIC chip probably anyway;)
2005-10-19 22:27
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1163
How dummy you want? Many have probably started by reading the SID programming section & reference in the P.R.G, or then just experimenting & figuring things out by themselves.

What makes SID hard to explain is that any decent sounds are based on modulating the hell out of SID registers, and there are a million possibilities & combinations...
2005-10-20 14:29
MRT
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Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 149
Quote: does a goattracker-for-dummies manual exist?
tried to find it, but whenever I read about attack, sustain and release I get lost.. should stick to the VIC chip probably anyway;)


For real dummies, you could try this:
http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue146/G3_SID_simplifie..

for a little less dummy, try this:
http://emulazione.multiplayer.it/cbmitapages/c64/sid1eng.htm

The part in the Programmers Reference about the SID you'll find here:
http://www.beigerecords.com/c64music.html

That should get you on your way. :-)
2005-10-20 14:32
MRT
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Posts: 149
Or try this...

http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e9426444/
2006-03-05 14:13
annw
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Registered: Feb 2006
Posts: 4
Same problem as poster. I used to run SID Editor. When ex died, I lost. I need a replacement copy or a PC Versions that speaks ENGLISH! or at least time signature, notes, middle C, 1/8, 1/4, sharps, flats, tempo, key signature, etc. All I want to do is input church choir music so I can practice, sort of do it yourself karioke.

I'm not looking for the "SID sound".

I tried goat tracker and couldn't even figure out from instructions basics such as C 1/4 note, then B 1/8 note.

My son's 128 still seems to work with the old 5 1/4" drive, usually.

Also why still just the 3 channels from old C64 on Pc? They haven't heard of SATB?

PC programs I have seen so far are worse. Old 8 bit PC beep with no option of more than 1 part. Mostly for printing out. Home printer is dead. I want sound. couldn't figure out those instructions either.

Can respond to annw_tpol@yahoo.com if you can help.

Trying e-bay. Not much help there. Can get boxes of misc. 64 'stuff' with most sellers not having clue of what in with old games.
2006-03-05 14:52
Jon
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Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247
Annw- Have you tried MOD trackers for the PC? Instead of configuring the notes "by hand", you can use sound samples (say, a church organ). It is also a bit more intuitive than Goat Tracker (IMHO, but I just started playing with Goat Tracker a few days ago).

If you aren't interested in creating "for the scene" but instead want to make music for your own purposes, look in to MOD / S3M / XM music making.

Check here to see what others have done with that format: http://www.modarchive.com/ (WARNING: Just like all amateur music collections, there are good and bad songs on that site. Have some patience).

These files can be played in Winamp.

Good luck!

-Ninj
2006-03-05 15:17
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 965
Quote: does a goattracker-for-dummies manual exist?
tried to find it, but whenever I read about attack, sustain and release I get lost.. should stick to the VIC chip probably anyway;)


the standard c64 manual explains about ADSR, allthough this is something very common in synthesizers too.. I guess sid preset building is all about experimenting. And some learning about bitcombinations. Or maybe you can try that cybertracker editor with graphical interface... not usefull for quick editing, but the visuals make a lot clear, esp. to a VIC user.
2006-03-05 17:15
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1163
To be honest, GT was never really targeted to be especially intuitive or easy, it's for people who know what they want and what they're doing - and also limitations of emulating. IMO (just to be a bit of an asshole) C64 doesn't need any more musicians who don't know what they're doing and/or just copy the default-instruments, of course everyone's got to start somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean those first-attempts have to be released :)
 
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