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2011-05-10 14:18
booker
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Unfair charts voting results

Hi, allow me just to quote the best idea I've read so far about voting system:

Quoting enthusi
And Im not growing tired of suggesting to just count all votes > 8 accumulative for gfx,music,code.
6 * vote 10 = 60 points
20 * vote 8 = 160 points
etc.
Maybe someone who is (even ;-) more into database stuff than me can play with CSDb votes and give this approach a try?
Last time I checked that manually I was pretty content with the overall results.


Seems to be very fair option and as well relatively easy to implement using already existing data.

Even then bugs like 16th place of T.C. with 4 votes (36 pts. total) vs. 16th place of Hayes (46 pts. total) vs. Scortia 18th (138 pts. total) would be solved automatically ;)

2011-05-10 14:21
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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imho such system is BS

100 * 1 -> 100

8 * 10 -> 80

etc

some people should simply understand that unless a lot more people vote on a lot more entries... all magic on the numbers is a pointless exercise.
2011-05-10 14:30
booker
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But in this case votes are 10 max. You can't vote 100 here.
2011-05-10 14:30
booker
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/double post/
2011-05-10 14:37
chatGPZ

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you didnt get the point. the point was that an extremely bad, but for some reason popular, entry (100 people voted 1) would outweight an excellent, but unknown, entry (8 people voted 10).
2011-05-10 14:40
booker
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Well, 100 people voting 1 here is basically unrealistic.

But you have a point even though few people here vote very low, but mostly on poor productions people don't vote at all.

For current CSDb charts you'd probably need to set 20 or smth votes minimum to qualify for charts in order for it to be more fair.
2011-05-10 15:08
chatGPZ

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if such system would get installed, you can be sure there will be some entry voted 1 by 100 people. if not more =)
2011-05-10 15:44
enthusi

Registered: May 2004
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Groepaz: read again please. You missed the point DRAMAtically ;-)
The suggestion asked for votes > 8.
Where 8 = $ANY_FUNNY_NUMBER_THAT_REFLECTS_A_POSITIVE_VOTE
Still many 8-votes outweight fewer 10-votes.
And I think that is a good thing. Apply it and see.
2011-05-10 16:34
chatGPZ

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ah so that involves even more pointless magic then ?

so what about these 1 and 2 and 3 votes in your system then? why would only > 8 qualify?

really, this all yet again boils down to: more votes needed. period. trying to get meaningful results from 10 votes is futile, no matter how much magic tricks you apply.
2011-05-10 16:50
Skate

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 506
solution is simple. announce a date to remove hidden vote option. down voters will automatically change or delete their votes before that date.

1) lamers won't be exposed (even if they should).
2) many products/groups/sceners will reach a closer value like they deserved.

of course there is nothing to do about the ones who are shameless to downvote publicly. let the evil take care about them later. ;)

forget about math. that's the solution.
2011-05-10 16:57
STE'86
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exactly why is it more valid to have 20x8 votes than it is to have 6x10?

It seems to me that such as system, would in effect only positively affect "known" current "faces" on here who could call upon lots of associates and fellow group members to advance their standing.

so "unknown" freshers whose work could well be streets ahead of the "faces" get penalised.

also it is a matter of historical fact that MANY 25 year old entries on here are also far ahead of many current ones. as one sees when a piece of art appears on the "radar" thats 20+ years old and you get the "my god thats amazing" comments. but only 5 people have ever voted on it.

a new fair system?
sorry. think again.

Steve
 
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