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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
Downloads and votes and the public
We in offence got this mail, and also several others like it in meaning... I think this is something we could have a talk about as it is something that is a bit important. It really is, because there are so many people out there actually liking the things we do create. CSDB is a hangaround place where we get away from the rest of the world maybe but could we do something with this in future?
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Hey,
can you forward this to Ole Marius?
He said that "hundreds of people download tunes to check them out, but only 20 or so care to vote" about the Highscore Ballad Compo. Well ... I know why! You can't get an account at CSDb unless you can call yourself active in the scene, so lots and lots and lots of people out there will never have an account (= can't vote) because they don't know how to code / to make a SID / whatever. And since I don't have an account either, I can't tell him that ... :)
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Just something I think is important to talk about.... |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3186 |
CSDb is not lemon64. I even wish there would be a more strict selection before admitting random ppl that doesn't understand this is not a generic c64 forum |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
A bit naive to think there are hundreds of potential voters out there for non-mainstream stuff. ;-) Yes, you can get a lot of attention when you open gates, but you won't achieve what this site did and does every day/month/year.. getting old sceners active again, etc. Most of people return back thanks to the fact that the stuff they get here is the stuff they loved back in time. The people understand you they talk the same language, so to speak. Yes some sceners are active on Lemon, and yes, Lemon was able to discover some cool people relevant for scene too, but majority of it's visitors don't give a crap about active c64 scene. OR at least they did not when I was more active around it. Did it change?
And yes. What iAN said. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
I think PAL is absolutely correct. There is a much larger audience out there than just the ever decreasing set of same old names and faces on CSDB.
there are oldschool names who appear on Lemon and indeed on facebook who have their own entries listed on here and quite frankly won't set foot in the place.
the solution I would have thought is that if this place is so far up it's own backside being "leet" then move all the compos over to Lemon, whose voting system is far more suited to competition voting than the csdb one.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Okay, I'm willing to change my opinion, point me to the creative art compo (music, gfx, demo, intro) organised at Lemon, having at least over 100 voters and at least 20 entries in the compo. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
tell you what, why don't you try a compo on there and see if you get more than the 100 who can actually vote on it on csdb?
Of course it would have to be a current "scener" that organises it because anyone else couldn't post on here to advertise it could they? :)
entry numbers will similar tho won't they?
simply because if you enter you become one of the chosen ones by virtue that you are now a "scener"
I find it quite bizarre that on CSDB people who have typed in some text or downloaded an unprotected digital copy of a new game and passed it to someone else via email to "crack" are "sceners" and can vote, but rabid c64 fans who know more than I do about it's history and games and download and BUY everything they can are somehow not worthy. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
STE'86: you are absolutely hard and stright on feedback, I love that! And this is the discussion I wanted as I also think a lot of people really like the things we do... example... I have a lot of clients in my company, and they actually write me e-mails about the last c64 demo we did and so on... there are a brave new world outside the gates of CSDB and they do also love the old computer stuff!
Sometimes they even seem more into it than the ones on here and they see the productions in another light and not only like nerded stuff tech vise... I kinda love that too... they like something for the mood og humor og idea and not like... but why did you use only 7 sprites when you have 8? doohhhh..... |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
+1 for letting more people in here. |
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Kristian
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126 |
What Oswald said. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
STE'86: I'm not interested in philosophical debates. I believe in numbers and facts. That's why I asked if there actually WAS some compo organised that could be taken as a case study or how to put it.
Yes, organising compo directly on CSDB is not a good idea, as it doesn't have infrastructure for such purpose (yet). You can use it the way it was used with the "Highscore power ballad compo", but as you correctly pointed out, it is closed for wider audience. But it doesn't matter for me, because I organise(d) compos outside CSDB.
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And as far as brave new world is concerned. There are the tools and services for maintream, everyone is allowed to explore the possibilities.
Goto80 does, and he does quite interesting things although that last performance "A musical performed with C64s, a band, and PETSCII visuals. World first! http://youtu.be/fQEw602X6F0 " was a bit hard to digest (for me).
Maybe 0,1% of stuff that gets done have chance to reach (more or less) mainstream audience and go viral (although combined media production has higher potential than pure C64 excecutable stuff). All it needs is to use the existing mainstream channels available (youtube, facebook, soundcloud.. whatever).
I don't believe general population will give a fuck about C64 scene database, community whatever you name it when it get's less strict towards building of the user base (although I think it wouldn't hurt if having account here and posting to forums would be easy, but getting access to editing of database would need moderators approval). And if by any chance general population gets more interested towards it, I'm sure the feelings of C64 scene will be rather mixed. What I hate(d) about lemon forums was tons of people talking about C64 instead of doing anything with it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
Quote:why don't you try a compo on there
or why dont YOU ?
Quote:I find it quite bizarre that on CSDB people who have typed in some text or downloaded an unprotected digital copy of a new game and passed it to someone else via email to "crack" are "sceners" and can vote, but rabid c64 fans who know more than I do about it's history and games and download and BUY everything they can are somehow not worthy.
a) the least important thing on csdb are votes b) the most important thing on csdb are the people who actually create or do something with their c64
and MY vote still goes for removing all the voting crap alltogether, its useless and hardly ever shows decent results anyways. |
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