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Adam The Axe
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Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 6 |
The Scene as it was.
I was in The Scene, therefore, I know what went on in the C64 scene. I see TOP GROUPS listed over there on the side display and I see DD listed #2, okay, I can buy alittle of that, Robin was a good dude, but there was only 1 number UNO in all of the C64 scene... and as much as I hate to admit, it was ESI, ONLY. Far and away, this group did more for C64 than any group, ever. Fairlight and Red Sector were a close second but not even close to Eaglesoft. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
I also vouch for that, release-wise during the time period anyway.
More information on why ESI rocked so hard? The check the nice article put together by moi (with help from By-tor and Mitch).
http://www.atlantis-prophecy.org/recollection/?load=online&issu..
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
ESI is the greatest cracking group ever, through sheer dominance. However, the scene evolved into so much more than cracking and spreading. I'd say Crest's #1 position in the chart is well earned, but it's of course subject to debate.
Today, there's no doubt that the legal scene is the healthier one, so no surprise if some of the cracking heroes of the past don't get as much attention as they deserve. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2969 |
Why is ESI the best cracking group? Because they had a cool-looking eagle as intro-pic and we all grew up with it, looking up to the elite guys creating that intro and the releases it was linked in front of? |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
Quote: Why is ESI the best cracking group? Because they had a cool-looking eagle as intro-pic and we all grew up with it, looking up to the elite guys creating that intro and the releases it was linked in front of?
They did some fantastic stuff on protections and so.
US Games were the home of nasty protections and ESI could do them. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
I'll confirm what mason says.
USA games have MUCH harder protection than anything I have ever seen come from pal land. He did them in some hours most times, maybe a weekend for the harder stuff.
Take Down Wrestling is just brilliant. Hardest game ever to crack! (I know, I got all the originals, and I'm a cracker ;)
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
DD is not #2 but #1 of the cracking groups. And when it comes to demos, both groups have earned exactly nothing, so Crest #1 in the overall groups is ok for me. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I have the utmost respect for ESI, as does almost everybody here, especially the ones who, like Krill said, grew up with their intros.
But, being somebody who prefers demos over games and who didn't leave the scene to come back 20 years later wondering what happened, I have even more respect for other groups. Like Crest, the Vibrants, the Maniacs of Noise, but also Panoramic Designs, Triad & Fairlight. And I am quite certain a lot of other people feel the same way, maybe different names, but tastes differ, thank god. I couldn't handle it if you all loved me the same way my girlfriend does for example ;)
(I was desperately trying to insert a scene-handle there but couldn't come up with one of which I'm certain it's true. Now isn't that sad?)
Anyway, ESI is #6 in the charts, which is pretty damn good for a group that has been gone that long. If somebody feels they should be even higher there's only one thing to do: make sure more people vote 10s for it than for Crest.
Until that happens, ESI is not the most popular group here on csdb, it's that simple. No matter how good their cracks were.
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The Shark-INC
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Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 24 |
ESI was a great group, and probably the most memorable, but let's note the good with the bad. ESI never level crunched, never added fast loaders, and didn't take as much pride in their cracks as Europeans in terms of fixing their own bugged cracks. On top of that, ESI used their intimidation powers much like Microsoft did in order to have other groups' cracks deleted from BBSes. And let's not forget how they used their minions like Pira-Ted to harass and turn in competition.
ESI, a one man group really, could sit back munching Doritos before casually deciding to crack games. In Europe, the competition was much more fierce which IMO created better crackers. I honestly think Europes' top 5 crackers could all easily surpass Mitch if given a game at the same time. Whenever Mitch did have serious competition with UCF, ESI looked vulnerable. Yes, Mitch still was better than JJ but I think that the lack of competition make ESI look better than they truly were. |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 493 |
Great insights! |
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SECRET MAN
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Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 336 |
Quote: ESI was a great group, and probably the most memorable, but let's note the good with the bad. ESI never level crunched, never added fast loaders, and didn't take as much pride in their cracks as Europeans in terms of fixing their own bugged cracks. On top of that, ESI used their intimidation powers much like Microsoft did in order to have other groups' cracks deleted from BBSes. And let's not forget how they used their minions like Pira-Ted to harass and turn in competition.
ESI, a one man group really, could sit back munching Doritos before casually deciding to crack games. In Europe, the competition was much more fierce which IMO created better crackers. I honestly think Europes' top 5 crackers could all easily surpass Mitch if given a game at the same time. Whenever Mitch did have serious competition with UCF, ESI looked vulnerable. Yes, Mitch still was better than JJ but I think that the lack of competition make ESI look better than they truly were.
I agree.Most of their cracks were not 100 percent,so that other groups made some demos against ESI.
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