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2004-02-12 12:43
Cupid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83
Emulator Awareness Campaign - your help needed

Evening Ladies and Gentlemen,

I want your help and support for an idea I had when I saw the emufuxxor of Krill/Plush a year or so ago.

The Emulator Awareness campaign.

In a nutshell, it is a small program that you can link to any release (or allow it to load the main part) that will show a "nag screen" in emulators, explaining that the user is using an emulator and has to be aware of the experience he will get not being the real thing.

This can prevent a lot of wrong criticism and bug reports, and, at least in our book, is a more mature and efficient way to deal with the emulator phenomena than not caring about "emulamers".

Read about it here:
http://www.cupid.de/eac/

What I need from you now, is a list of problems that emulators have, what bad experience users get and that there is not a way around them for the developer.

This data will be used to fill the "where emulators fail" section on the site, which will be featured in the nag screen.

Thanks for your attention, flame away


2004-02-12 12:49
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879
Chuck Austen is a terrible writer, first he killed Uncanny and now he's gonna kill New X-Men!

Well, you said "flame away", but you didn't say about what ..
2004-02-12 12:50
Cupid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83
Threadjacking will be punished with bare bottom spanking at X.
2004-02-12 12:52
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879
Oops. In that case let me just add that I support your initiative and will probably use it in front of my future productions.

That better? :)
2004-02-12 12:55
Cupid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83
You just make some more productions, missing good FOCUS demos :-)
2004-02-12 13:25
CyberBrain
Administrator

Posts: 392
Good idea. When i make another demo (in 2032 maybe) i'll probably use it.
2004-02-12 13:26
yago

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333
The most annoying Things while watching Demos with an Emulator:


Sound+Picture is not synchronized
Especially VICE has a soundbuffer, so that the soundfx
appear too late

There are interruptions, no smooth flow
For example, if the OS wants to swap some Cache,the demo flickers

Smooth scrolling is not possible
Thats mainly because of different framerates. On the C64, some games have such a smooth scrolling, that after switching off the c64, there is an optical illusion. Forget that on a PC!


Although there have been enormous advances, the colors are wrong.


There are also some more subtle Drawbacks:

The Floppy does not "click"

Most PCs have a Ventilator

It takes minutes to start a demo, compared with seconds on the real thing


Standard-Emuflame-Protection: I do like Emulators. I use them to code. BUT they are not perfect.
2004-02-12 13:44
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160
Good idea overall. Two things

1) Might be irritating to people who know exactly what they're doing, but don't have access to C64 at the moment, unless can be easily/quickly bypassed

2) Be prepared to improve the emu detection routine over time
2004-02-12 14:24
Cupid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83
Cadaver: You are right, however it is pressing space once more, not much of a problem there. Otherwise we'd have to emulate a "cookie" by putting data on the disk (maybe in 18 00 tracks), but I'd rather not do that as some demos rightfully do that themselves :-)

The upgrading thing would be Krill's to do :-)
2004-02-12 14:46
WVL

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 896
okay :) It starts again.

I think adding nag-screens is childish. very much so. Emulators are very very very very useful. It saves a lot of time when I can use crosscompilers. Also I don't have to walk around carrying 100 disks whenever I got to my groupmates to work on a demo.

it's fast, easy and always there on my laptop.

that does not mean I don't like the real thing better...

short : don't add nag screens... If I like a production, I'll remove the nag screen if I have to (hurrah! cracking relives!!)

2004-02-12 14:54
Dane
Account closed

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421
Chuck Austen IS a terrible writer. Not only does he make Lorna a raving lunatic, but there is also the infamous 'threatening Iceman's head to piss on it'-scene, that will haunt me forever. And if he gets his hands on Morrison's superb Emma Frost....ouch!

What?
 
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