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2010-09-29 15:47
MC
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What makes a good SID editor?

So which feature(s) do you think are imporant?
What do you find annoying in an editor?

I'm trying to get an idea of what would make an editor stand out...

Ofcourse I have some ideas of my own but I'd first like to hear from other composers what they like.
 
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2010-09-30 13:03
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:
i´m not a composer but wouldn´t i be cool to have atleast one player/editor that doesn´t care at all about rastertime or memory usage?


what stops you from doing 8-speed or whatever tunes? =)

(and the p64 player is a really bad example imho, as it needs the cpu power because it sucks =P)
2010-09-30 13:48
booker

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334
Quoting Groepaz
(and the p64 player is a really bad example imho, as it needs the cpu power because it sucks =P)

Well, their youtube video makes me definitelly not wanting to buy it :)


btw. Goat Tracker saves to .sid. Lacks saving to .prg with a driver though. (but what is PSID64 for? :D )
2010-09-30 14:14
NecroPolo

Registered: Jun 2009
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Quote: How about a adding a seperate master track that handles filter effects (through filter fx presets, channels applied to and channels triggered by) and global volume etc?

This has been on my mind for the last couple of days.


Check Jeff's X-SID ;)
2010-09-30 15:34
MC
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X-SID looks pretty good! I'll have a look at that when I get home... Any downsides to it?
2010-09-30 15:48
SIDWAVE
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sdi 3 has it all:

realtime record with quantize
keyjam
records midi input (when you press a psygoa arp on yer synth, it goes into the sid as an arp)
resonance envelope
what more we got ? .... geir hasnt updated me in a week, but:

pretty much every smart move he could think of, and geir... is smart! :)
2010-09-30 16:02
booker

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Has it? But where IS it :))

How about flt type selection in flt table? Or still remains fixed for all-yer-6581-tunes-won't-need-that-coz-it-clicks-anyway? :))

Not sure about jamming with flt resonance on SID. The range is soo poor anyways :))
2010-09-30 16:36
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
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Quote: Has it? But where IS it :))

How about flt type selection in flt table? Or still remains fixed for all-yer-6581-tunes-won't-need-that-coz-it-clicks-anyway? :))

Not sure about jamming with flt resonance on SID. The range is soo poor anyways :))


w00t, cant change the filter type in the table? I think it doesn't click if you change only 1 bit per frame (or tick, for that matter).

Resonance sweep sounds like a good idea, despite it's low range.
2010-09-30 16:49
Hein

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Haven't seen an editor yet that uses $d41b and $d41c for modulation (filter, frequency, pulsewidth or whatever).
2010-09-30 16:57
NecroPolo

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Quote: X-SID looks pretty good! I'll have a look at that when I get home... Any downsides to it?

Some MoFo stole it from Jeff and spread before it was fully functional so - as an obvious and only move - Jeff left it in the way as it was at the moment and moved on to developing a new and improved music tool.

So as an unfinished project, some things might not be working as they should, that's the downside. But it's still a pretty straightforward tool, one of the most impressive ones I've seen so far.
2010-10-18 14:48
booker

Registered: Jul 2003
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Quote: w00t, cant change the filter type in the table? I think it doesn't click if you change only 1 bit per frame (or tick, for that matter).

Resonance sweep sounds like a good idea, despite it's low range.


Yep. DMC v5 also doesn't have it (you have to set FLT and FRQ in the pattern) and to make it even more annoying only one voice can be filtered :D

6581 generates an audible click on filter type change. (similarly to volume change (also for 8580). And 6581 does click badly on fast flt type changes.
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