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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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creating "collection" of graphics/demos on a single subject?
whilst uploading and viewing stuff on here it occurred to me that there is quite alot of 2000ad inspired art and demos from the 80's up on here.
i was wondering if it would be acceptable to create a 2000ad "collection" database entry containing just entries on this subject. and if it was acceptable, what would be the best way of going about it?
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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
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csdb top 5 graphic modes by number of entries:
1. undefined (1717+ /was kicked at this amount)
2. multicolor (1254)
3. ifli (366)
4. hires (221)
5. fli (156)
somehow i have a strong feeling that crowdsourced tags would not be the best idea... |
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JCB
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Quote: csdb top 5 graphic modes by number of entries:
1. undefined (1717+ /was kicked at this amount)
2. multicolor (1254)
3. ifli (366)
4. hires (221)
5. fli (156)
somehow i have a strong feeling that crowdsourced tags would not be the best idea...
Sorry, I'm not seeing your problem? Is it just the amount of files? |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
edited:
i will refrain from posting a rebuke until you explain exactly what was wrong with the results you posted.
Steve |
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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
tags would also be optional. if the search attributes would be enlarged you would not automatically get better results.
check the top lists on csdb and count the avarage no of votes. take a look at oldschool or non-party releases, how many of them even get 5 votes for an avarage rating. it is obvious that there are simply not enough active sceners around for proper tagging.
why not dealing with current issues, why not adding missing graphic modes first? more than 1700 undefined entries out of 4420. this is more than 30% in case of a clearly defined attribute!!!
at bitfellas artcity there was a huge automatic upload recently about 700+ graphics directly from csdb including 85 pics with really bad screenshots (ifli showing single frames, overexposed colors, buggy data). why not looking for those first to keep the database in a good shape?
do not get me wrong. tags are a good idea, definitely. but imo you underestimate the effort to avoid chaos. |
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Wile Coyote
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Tags are great.
I just did a search for Judge Death and it found 3 images I hadnt seen before:
Judge Death [-]
Judge Death
Judge Death [1986]
Judge Death
Judge Death II [1986]
Judge Death II
If Tags had been in effect, then, this would have been found,
as it too features Judge Death
Sex Death Art [1997]
Sex Death Art
I wonder how many more Judge Death pictures are on CSDb |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
but i still cant see some of your logic Veto. u say basically that there arent enuf sceners to tag usefully...
but if just myself tags MY relavent pics with 2000ad then you would get 4-5 more entries in a search than if you just searched for 2000ad currently.
so surely ANY increase in positive search returns are better than none at all?
Steve |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
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Quote: tags would also be optional. if the search attributes would be enlarged you would not automatically get better results.
check the top lists on csdb and count the avarage no of votes. take a look at oldschool or non-party releases, how many of them even get 5 votes for an avarage rating. it is obvious that there are simply not enough active sceners around for proper tagging.
why not dealing with current issues, why not adding missing graphic modes first? more than 1700 undefined entries out of 4420. this is more than 30% in case of a clearly defined attribute!!!
at bitfellas artcity there was a huge automatic upload recently about 700+ graphics directly from csdb including 85 pics with really bad screenshots (ifli showing single frames, overexposed colors, buggy data). why not looking for those first to keep the database in a good shape?
do not get me wrong. tags are a good idea, definitely. but imo you underestimate the effort to avoid chaos.
I can understand seeing missing info from crowdsourced tagging as a problem but as you pointed it's already a problem and you've then suggested people do the thing you've said they're incapable of (or there aren't enough people to do) by fixing current stuff. If there are users willing to do that I wouldn't see a problem with them tagging "Judge Dredd" "Dragon" etc as they go.
Tags by their nature are never going to be complete but I think any extra info, no matter if it's incomplete is much better than none at all.
You're right about the old school stuff of course but I think that's just because people don't see them, but that's voting.. Ask old school sceners or people who knew them to tag their own files/friends files and you'd get a lot of that done fairly quickly. Maybe then if demos were tagged with FLD, Multiplexer, etc a tag search would show people things they'd never otherwise have seen... :)
Pete
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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
you are speaking of one single tag. think of 88096 entries in this database. did you have seen the tag clowd at artcity? probably you get the idea what i am talking about.
http://artcity.bitfellas.org/index.php?a=tagcloud |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
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Quote: you are speaking of one single tag. think of 88096 entries in this database. did you have seen the tag clowd at artcity? probably you get the idea what i am talking about.
http://artcity.bitfellas.org/index.php?a=tagcloud
Not seeing a problem. As I said, tags aren't ever going to be complete. You might tag something Dragon and tag ALL the dragons on csdb, then someone might go, "but I want RED dragons!!" but at least they've found some dragons to narrow down their "red" search. As long as people are aware it's not an exact method for returning results they'll get more than they currently would and know there are possibly others available.
Anyway, no point turning this into another one of THOSE threads ;) It's ultimately up to whoever makes the decisions and if it's possible/they have the time/are capable etc |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
i am still not seeing a problem?
currently if you search for 2000ad (as an example)
you get 3 results with 2000ad in the title
now if tags were implemented and i tagged mine you would get a further 4-5 come up.
how does getting more relavent search returns equal a problem?
and it search clouds bother you then dont display the buggers.
Steve |
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