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2020-08-22 23:40
Flavioweb

Registered: Nov 2011
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1541 Quartz speed on real device.

With the help of Ready. we measured the quartz frequency of a 1541 directly on the motherboard, with the drive running, to make a precise test by evaluating the values in a condition of real operation.

This is the quartz mounted on the drive we have tested:

The test lasted about 2h and 30 mins, during which the electronics were covered to simulate the presence of the top of the chassis.
The maximum temperature reached by the quartz was about 45c if covered and about 39 if uncovered.

For the whole duration of the test a frequency value oscillating between 16.000 and 16.0001 mhz was detected. No values higher or lower than these.

In the quartz tech specs we found a maximum drift of +/- 50ppm, which means:
50 * 16 = 800 = 16.000.800 / 15.999.200hz in the worst case.

During our test, instead, we found, in the worst case, a drift of 100hz, therefore 1/8 of the theoretical one found in specs, ie 50/8 = 6.25ppm.

Making a few calculations just to relate ppm to rpm, we have:
6.25 / 5 = 1.25 (ppm / (1mhz / hz per revolution)) = drift per revolution
1.25 / 200,000 = 0.00000625
300 * 0.00000625 = 0.001875 rpm calculation error due to the quartz drift in the worst case.

We do not know exactly, during the whole period of normal operation of the drive, what is the precise value of ppm of deviation, but we know with certainty that it is a number between 16,000,000 and 16,000,100 hertz, so 100/16 = 6.25ppm in the worst case.
 
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2020-08-27 16:22
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127
the error of the measuring device should be also accounted for.
2020-08-27 17:01
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523
which is why it's listed already, indeed.
2020-08-27 17:13
Zibri
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Registered: May 2020
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Yes. I realize this and both Oswald and Christopher are right.

What I am saying is that is totally irrelevant to the RPM speed test which express the speed in cents of rpm...
The "differences" in quartz do not influence the results if nor very marginally.
2020-08-27 17:46
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523
This thread is about the crystal speed though, not about RPM testing.
2020-08-30 05:29
Zibri
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Quoting Groepaz
This thread is about the crystal speed though, not about RPM testing.

Right, but the crystal speed was tested because "someone" implied that my RPM test was anyway inaccurate because of the crystal. Which was so proven not to be relevant in the calculation.
2020-08-30 12:48
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523
everyone understood that by now, and its irrelevant for this discussion.
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