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2005-10-25 00:56
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Implement http://ftp.pokefinder.org/ into CSDb

Implement http://ftp.pokefinder.org/ into CSDb for alternative download link search!
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2005-11-02 10:47
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Quote: Is this pokefinder link really a good idea?

It doesn't give unique results, like download-links does.
So it's likely you won't get the release you were looking at in CSDb.

Wouldn't it perhaps encourage people to not upload files?

Also, if there is a release without a download-link and someone finds the file (f.e. at pokefinder), shouldn't he upload it at the release page, so that other people later will get the right (unique) file? If so, i guess the pokefinder-link not really needed (maybe it could be nice to have at the edit page, but not on the main release-page)


I just did that for a couple of releases, upload the file for broken downloads with results of the C64 ftp search :)
Since many contain the group name in the file name, uploading the same version as in CSDb is not hard.

So I think it was a good idea :)
2005-11-02 10:54
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790
Quote: I just did that for a couple of releases, upload the file for broken downloads with results of the C64 ftp search :)
Since many contain the group name in the file name, uploading the same version as in CSDb is not hard.

So I think it was a good idea :)


I'm not so sure of all those names are correct though. I think you should atleast run it to see if it is the correct one. If the screenshot is missing (or any credits) that can be added at the same time.
2005-11-02 10:55
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Quote: I'm not so sure of all those names are correct though. I think you should atleast run it to see if it is the correct one. If the screenshot is missing (or any credits) that can be added at the same time.

Oh it was just a game, no worries, I am pretty sure I got it correct :)
2005-11-02 11:00
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790
Quote: Oh it was just a game, no worries, I am pretty sure I got it correct :)

How can you tell without even looking at it?
You can always run into stuff like these two different releases from Relax: Road Runner +2 and Road Runner +4.
There's little point in csdb if the information here is not validated by the people adding it.
2005-11-02 11:05
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Quote: How can you tell without even looking at it?
You can always run into stuff like these two different releases from Relax: Road Runner +2 and Road Runner +4.
There's little point in csdb if the information here is not validated by the people adding it.


I have more brain mass than you think I have ;)
But thanks for the care! :)
2005-11-02 11:11
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790
Quote: I have more brain mass than you think I have ;)
But thanks for the care! :)


It wasn't meant as an insult, no hard feelings? :)
Anyway, there are lots of people reading this thread, so I just wanted to point out the fact that it is quite often that there is incorrect info in the filenames, or atleast incomplete info. (like only one group, when it was an import and bugfix, etc...)
2005-11-02 11:13
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Quote: It wasn't meant as an insult, no hard feelings? :)
Anyway, there are lots of people reading this thread, so I just wanted to point out the fact that it is quite often that there is incorrect info in the filenames, or atleast incomplete info. (like only one group, when it was an import and bugfix, etc...)


If I was taking it personal, I wouldn't have written a ':)' behind the sentence.

Yes, sure, just trust me :)
2005-11-02 11:26
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790
Quote: If I was taking it personal, I wouldn't have written a ':)' behind the sentence.

Yes, sure, just trust me :)


I have to, you are a moderator! ;)
No, seriously, I do.
I just want to raise the general awareness about entering correct info.
Anyhow, I think the pokefinder.org-link is quite useful aswell.
2005-11-02 11:52
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Quote: I have to, you are a moderator! ;)
No, seriously, I do.
I just want to raise the general awareness about entering correct info.
Anyhow, I think the pokefinder.org-link is quite useful aswell.


*speechless* :)
2005-11-02 16:07
Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202
Quote: Is this pokefinder link really a good idea?

It doesn't give unique results, like download-links does.
So it's likely you won't get the release you were looking at in CSDb.

Wouldn't it perhaps encourage people to not upload files?

Also, if there is a release without a download-link and someone finds the file (f.e. at pokefinder), shouldn't he upload it at the release page, so that other people later will get the right (unique) file? If so, i guess the pokefinder-link not really needed (maybe it could be nice to have at the edit page, but not on the main release-page)


My $.05:

$.01) Is it really a good idea to make CSDb the sole resource for C64 files?

My opinion: No. While I appreciate the value this database has, it is no secret that it had its downtime in the past and sure will have some more in the future. That being said I think it's quite dangerous to limit file uploads to this database and forget about the FTP sites that served our purposes well in all these years.

$.02) Is it really a good idea to upload cracks to this database?

My opinion: No. While supplying download links of cracks is a semi-legal thing that, depending on your country, might get you into trouble or not, hosting the files definately IS illegal. And I wouldn't want to see Perff and others being sued and this fine database put offline for that reason.

$.03) Is it a problem that http://ftp.pokefinder.org doesn't supply unique results?

My opinion: Not necessarily. While you might not be able to find Bomb Mania/ONS, you might do just fine with Bomb Mania/SCS*TRC, even though Bomb Mania/SCS*TRC might not be listed on CSDb (yet).

$.04) Would it encourage people to not upload files (to CSDb)?

My opinion: Maybe so, but because of reasons given above I don't necessarily see that as a problem. However, maybe it'd encourage some people to upload to the FTP sites instead. Mass upload to FTP sites is much more convenient than uploading file by file to a webpage anyway.

$.05) Should people use http://ftp.pokefinder.org to find the file, download it and then upload it to CSDb?

http://ftp.pokefinder.org was created to supply a decent way to search multiple FTP sites for a file - if one FTP site doesn't have it, another might. If one FTP site is down, another might not. In the days of point'n'click web-users, http://ftp.pokefinder.org tries to be a convenient web interface for FTP - servers that're available for exactly that: downloading (and uploading) files. It wasn't Count Zero's intention to create a tool to help cannibalize the FTP sites and make them obsolete.
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