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2005-02-08 23:11

Death Demon
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Careful with your email addresses

I've been poking around the nostalgia sites recently popping my email address up hoping to get in touch with old friends from the scene. Instead, old jealousy has found a way of poking it's ugly head out. I can't believe that jealousy like this still exists after, what, 20 years now?

Quote:

From: lkjlkjljk pablo [lkjlkjljkpablo_797@hotmail.com]
raster boy lives again.... total lack of imagination raster boiiiiiiiiii

Only one person who ever refered to me as that. In fact, he has a web page up right now that refers to me as that. Man, can't believe some people can't let go. Hmm, actually it looks like he's updated it in the last few days. Luckily, Google still has it around. If you're interested, do a google search for +"wanderer" +"the survivors" +"raster boy"

Wanderer Commodore 64 c64 NTSC intro demo fbr pe the survivors ...
... I ripped anything after my beginning months in The Survivors. ... a member of FBR who
I call raster boy (DxxxxDxxxx ... did you change your name from Satan to Wanderer? ...
www.ontarioghosttowns.com/c64/c64.html - 84k - Cached - Similar pages

In any event, as I stated, please be careful. It appears that some people out there are still bent out of shape over scene related issues.

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2005-02-11 20:16

Death Demon
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Twoflower : The discussion belongs here because of the original post. I'm a bit perplexed at the rest of the discussion, to be quite honest. But I don't really care either. I believe the point has been made. Wanderer's continued abusive remarks pretty much seal the deal. As does this quote:

Quote:

Once you prove I've sent you an email, only then can you try to twist things around into being some sort of grudge.

Either there's nothing to prove or Wanderer sent the email. Instead, he's trying to turn this into some strange game and I don't really care. Email came from Sudbury, uses nicknames only he used, his argumentation on the subject really hasn't been that he didn't write it but rather that I'm faking it, and I've been accused of everything from mailbombing to mailing list signups (with the story changing in between). I'm done.

In any event, next time you guys think about posting your email address out there to get in touch with old friends, realize that you're opening yourself up to strange people like this suddenly deciding to reach out and touch you.

Sorry this turned into some big strange soap opera. It was really just meant as a warning. But perhaps the soap opera serves as a better warning?

Last comment to Wanderer:
I don't know you. Never did. I have no idea why you think I did and think that there's some *thing* between us. If there is, it's one way. Simply do not email me any longer from ANY account ANYWHERE. I do not wish to have ANY relationship with you, online or otherwise.

If you really didn't do it, and it's just a strange coincidence that it came from your home town using your nickname for me and all of your conflicting posting above is just random rantings brought out of a defensive posture, then so be it.

2005-02-11 21:18

Wanderer
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Posts: 478

>The discussion belongs here because of the original post.

IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE AT ALL. This is the point I think the other posters have already made.

>Wanderer's continued abusive remarks pretty much seal the
>deal.

Unfortunately you are being dillusional again. I've been rational and calm. Abusive? That's what we call "reaching" in my profession. There you go reaching.

>Either there's nothing to prove or Wanderer sent the
>email.

And there is nothing to prove because you made it up with Notepad or some editor. You're reaching again.

>Instead, he's trying to turn this into some strange game
>and I don't really care.

Apparently you care enough not to let the issue drop.

>Email came from Sudbury,

So you claim.

>uses nicknames only he used

I think the email address was 'pablo' or something? *rolls eyes* yes Bruce. I went by Pablo in another lifetime on the c64. If you're referring to 'raster boy', you yourself admit going to the webpage and reading the comment. I believe you were upset by what you read, made up this so called email, and came on here to badmouth me. Unfortunately you goofed up on the ISP and you had to guess what my email address would be. Could you not do better than "pablo"? Who is Pablo lol.

>his argumentation on the subject really hasn't been that
>he didn't write it but rather that I'm faking it

Why argue? You need to prove your allegation, I don't need to defend it. I've no clue what you're talking about.

>and I've been accused of everything from mailbombing to
>mailing list signups (with the story changing in between).

Again your comprehension skills are lacking. The story has remained the same from almost a year ago as printed on my page. You used Speakeasy. I had a visitor from Speakeasy visit the page, seconds later the same IP was used to attempt to sign me up for mailing lists (which in itself is a mailbomb attempt, mass subscription signups). I think if you lay off the Xanax and Paxil you will realize the mailing list *was* the mail bombing attempt.

>I'm done.

I sure hope so.

>I have no idea why you think I did and think that there's
>some *thing* between us.

There you go again with your reaching fantasy. Are you receiving psychological help? Something between us? Here comes the dramatics.

>Simply do not email me any longer from ANY account
>ANYWHERE. I do not wish to have ANY relationship with you,
>online or otherwise.

ROTFLMAO
*rolls eyes again* You sound like a woman being stalked by a bitter ex-boyfriend. How much more dramatical can you get? You do not wish to have a relationship? That is the saddest thing I've heard you say yet. Now will you let the issue go?

>If you really didn't do it, and it's just a strange
>coincidence that (I FORGED IT) it came from your home town >using your nickname (I GRABBED FROM YOUR WANDERER WEBPAGE)
>for me and all of your conflicting posting above (WHICH
>THERE IS NO CONFLICTION, I'M TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND A
>POINT WHICH HAS BEEN CLARIFIED TWICE NOW) is just random
>rantings brought out of a defensive posture, then so be it.

*yawn*

You've made your point, over and over and over.
I don't own this issue you have with me.
I have asked you repeatedly to drop the matter, you won't.
You had the choice to take it to email, you didn't.

Move on Bruce, please... you're embarassing yourself. You can have the last word...

2005-02-12 00:03

Death Demon
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Quote:

I think if you lay off the Xanax and Paxil you will realize the mailing list *was* the mail bombing attempt.

Ahh, I see. So somehow my IP matching the IP of someone who mailbombed you is the same thing as someone signing you up for a mailing list minutes after someone with an IP tracing to an ISP that I use is the same thing? I noticed that you just changed the story again and said that it was someone from the same IP who tried to sign you up to the mailing list when the original claim (on your website) was that it was that you just got signed up and thought it a coincidence that I visited your web page a few minutes before. I understand. So that's just something you completely made up then. At least I don't have to bother defending myself against that accusation any longer.

As for the mail issue, I have no idea why you keep saying the things you've said. I guess you're not terribly familiar with the internet. The mail address can easily be verified as being valid, and if it were truly necessary, the message ID could be confirmed with Microsoft's abuse department. I don't personally care to take it that far and I'm sure you don't want me to either.

Message-ID: <BAY16-F570AD01F74B1AF87977F7B4730@phx.gbl>
Received: from 69.159.0.9 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:32:07 GMT

Information readily available in the message header. Microsoft does that to prevent people from doing what you just tried to. I haven't goofed up a thing. This is what I got. And it tracks directly to your home town. I don't care what ISP you say you use or don't use. All I care about is that you leave me alone. I don't want to have ANY connection to you. You DO make me feel like you're some strange internet stalker.

2005-02-13 23:07

The Shark-INC
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Wanderer certainly does have a history for doing things like this, and the message Death Demon posted matches the types of emails that Wanderer has sent me. Anyone that Mike (Wanderer) had a problem with 15 years ago, Mike sends childish emails even to this day. Man, talk about holding a grudge. hehe...

Mike, do the world a favor... Reestablish a relationship with your psychologist and get off the Canadian social welfare. Start doing something productive with your life. Whether that means going back to college (yes, we know that you dropped out) or holding at least a part time job. Clearly, Mike, you have too much time on your hands.

The Shark

2005-02-14 03:38

Wanderer
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Posts: 478

This just gets better and better.

First Bruce has to lie about receiving emails and uses a fake return address because he doesn't know my real address. But now it's just pathetic that he had to go and find an ex-crack addict to also claim they received email from me.

Yet I have to admit, I've been expecting Dave Greiman (aka Slanty Eyed Shark) to come along all week. I knew Bruce would be trying another approach, having lost his argument and being humiliated. And look who joined just TODAY and has made ONE post only? Sharky. I wonder, hrmm... did Bruce go running for support? You know he did :)

Sadly, I think Bruce could have done better than a guy who's been in an Arizona jail for assaulting his ex girlfriend with a frying pan spatula. Yes Dave, we know all about that.

Sayyyy Dave, where do you come up with college? Try University, three years. Is that what your crackpipe is telling you now? lol lol. I'm listed on the alumni page at Laurentian University. *SPANK*

Oh say Dave, didn't you once tell us on a conference call that your mother also smoked the crack rock? It would explain those horribly crooked eyes of yours.

Look for yourself, and nice shirt dude.
www.ontarioghosttowns.com/shark.jpg

By the way I must commend you on your wonderful INC webpage. All of those dead links and webpage skills of a child make INC go down in history as a joke. It's an embarassment to the scene.

Poor Bruce, if a crack addict and woman abuser is the best he can hope for... I win yet again. Oh well, another user to add to the ignore list. *plonk*

2005-02-14 05:21

Death Demon
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Wow, that was an interesting/revealing outburst. Mike, I don't know what you're trying to get at. I'm not sure why you are so bent on not accepting responsibility for the email. You honestly think that it wasn't trackable so there's a chance people will think I could be making this up. It's as if you didn't realize that the message ID was unique and can be verified through Microsoft's abuse department. It's also as if you didn't realize that the email address can also be verified as being valid by going through the mail server or any of a number of websites that verify email addresses by communicating with the email server. Using Hotmail, Yahoo, or any other commercial email service is not anonymous. Due to SPAM related legislation in the U.S., as well as costs associated, they have been implementing quite a bit of tracking safeguards.

As for what you just said about The Shark, Arizona doesn't have any information about him being in jail for hitting his girlfriend. http://az.gov/webapp/offender/searchName.do

Most states have enacted a sexual offender statute in which assaults of this nature are published publicly so that people can be aware of the risks associating with specific people. Why throw out accusations like that?

If it were THAT important to you for people to not think of you as some strange internet stalker type of person who still sends out email based on grudges you have with people you never knew but idolized, you simply should have not sent me email. There was absolutely no reason. You and I have zero contact. None. I didn't even know you back in the scene. So why bother? Did you think I wouldn't be able to trace it and figure it out? Did it give you some strange sort of high to think that you might be able to get away with insulting me anonymously through email and I'd always sit there wondering who it was? I didn't really care. The only reason I posted here was to let people know that they should be careful with posting up personal information because there's people out there that still hold grudges.

After reading your rant on The Shark, I'm a little bit more worried then I was. That's some pretty strong hatred for someone who you have no contact with. The scene's been over for us for 15 years or so. Were you REALLY that strongly impacted?

2005-02-14 05:25

OEP

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 60

I feel the same way towards Sharky! :P

Just kidding, Dave

2005-02-14 07:36

Wanderer
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Posts: 478

Cripes, I gave Bruce the last word and he still continues to post lmao. Although I can't read what he's posted for he's blocked (both of them actually) it does show he's one persistant little bastard. :)

I guess he thought running and finding one of the largest lamers on the C64, who's opinion to me means zilch, would add fuel to his fire.

Onc more time Bruce, LET IT GO... when you resort to bringing lamers to this site, you know you've lost the argument.

Cheers

2005-02-14 07:37

The Shark-INC
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Mike,

I must agree with Death Demon. Your behavior is disturbing, and I am thankful that miles separate us as I see you as a "scene stalker" so obsessed with watching me that I'd have to set up a restraining order against you if you were in the USA.

Your desperate accusations against me suggest that both Bruce and myself are telling the truth, and it is you who struggles to live in reality. I am going to call your bluff. If anyone here can post solid evidence that I was ever arrested, used illegal drugs, or beat an ex-girlfriend, I will donate $1000 to a charitable cause of the finder's choice. Prison/jail records are public record in the USA so this would be a start. Even a legitimate newspaper article would be sufficient. Mike already posted my real name, so that should be enough for people to start a search.

Now, if no one can find such information, then you must be the one to pay a fee. Since I know you are not doing well financially, we'll assign you a task instead. Your penalty would be for you to go back to all your crooked raster, seizure inducing intros and look at them. After about 30 minutes of this torture, we then want you to fix the intros (or preferably delete them).

The time limit for this challenge is one month from now.

Mike, this is all really silly. Your childish, fake emails... your make-believe stories... you setting up a fake "gay" profile about me here at CSDb (yes, it has been fixed already). I can't believe I scarred you so bad back in the late 80s when I exposed you for being a ripper. It was nothing personal -- I only told the truth.

I don't plan on posting much in regards to this thread as the people here are tired of this already, and just like a child, I know you love the attention from your misdeeds. I'll say it again, and I mean this in all sincerity for your own mental health: please seek professional help or read a self-help book. It's time to move on in your life.

The Shark

2005-02-14 07:47

Wanderer
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Posts: 478

Final Score

Death Demon: 0
Sharky: 0
Wanderer: 1

Both fought bravely, both failed miserably. Quick, better call in JNP next :)

By the way, all I'm seeing on this end is "<Message ignored>". I gave you both a fair chance to try and prove this ridiculous claim I sent Bruce an email. All this over one single email. Really, Death Demon, in the larger scale of things to whine about in life, let this one go. You lost. Dave lost 15 years ago.

Stop shaming yourself :)

Thia is an amazing piece of HTML work, 404 forever
http://www.dhp.com/~shark/inc64/

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