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2006-09-21 15:09
uneksija

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 48
multispeed

Hello everybody,

Just to be sure: Multispeed means that the SID is updated with new parameters not once per frame/tick but multiple times per frame/tick, right? And this clearly affects the sound? What songs would be good examples of the multispeed-effect? Is "ACE 2" by Rob Hubbard multispeed?

Thanks in advance for any answers!
 
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2006-09-21 15:18
scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1578
...and Ace2 isn't multi-speed.

Well known multi-speed tunes are ZigZag by Anthony Crowther and Rubicon by Jeroen Tel/MoN.

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2006-09-21 15:28
Twoflower

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 436
Another good example of multispeed-music is Zig-Zag from Anthony "Ratt" Crowther, the first example of multispeed I heard, and a good one too.

http://www.c64.org/HVSC/Crowther_Antony/Zig_Zag.sid

The real innovator must have been Martin Galway, using multispeed in the highscore-tune for Wizball, right?

http://www.c64.org/HVSC/Galway_Martin/Wizball.sid
2006-09-21 15:44
Dane

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 423
How many parameters must be updated in order for it to be multispeed? ;)
2006-09-21 15:48
j0x

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215
Quote: How many parameters must be updated in order for it to be multispeed? ;)

And at what distance in (raster-) time? Fred Gray's player does something like

lda #$41
sta $d404
dec $d404

Is that multispeed? ;)

/Stefan
2006-09-21 21:37
SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238
Hagar did multispeed in Rainbow Dragon, by calling the player 2 times after another.
2006-09-22 03:21
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127
bob yannes did one when dreaming about the design!
2006-09-22 10:14
SIDWAVE
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Sorry, not Hagar, but Anthony Lees offcourse :-)
Michael Winterberg did multispeed-sounding tunes, by using cia timer.

The first multispeed tune i ever heard was /Crowther_Antony/Centurions_Power_X_Treme.sid - it came before Zig Zag.
2006-09-22 14:27
Soren
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Posts: 547
@uneksija:

Here's some of my own multispeed tunes...
(I hope that is ok, without people thinking that I'm a smart-ass who just wants to show off, but I think there are atleast some decent multispeed soundexamples in some of these tunes).

12-speed:
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/12-speed_tune.sid

8-speed:
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/8th_Frame.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Cave_of_Rave.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Dick-Lotion.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/House.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Ishmael.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/La_Samba_pasta_bolognese.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Party_1993.sid

4-speed:
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Anal_ogue.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Dunes_K_Remix.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Ishmael_Intro.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/System_F-Cry.sid

3-speed:
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Donald_Dick-Duck.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Elsdyret_Roland.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Happy_Times.sid
hvsc_45/C64Music/VARIOUS/G-L/Jeff/Space_Journey.sid

2006-09-22 14:56
Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510
Fine with me Jeff, no need to argue your expertise in multispeed composing. 8th Frame is still awesome, everytime I play that to people who are not into it they say something like "bah, digi samples!" :-)

Another good example of multispeed is /VARIOUS/S-Z/Taki/Impulse.sid (16x)
This drumset is simply amazing!
2006-09-22 15:03
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127
jeff, ah donald dick duck is one of my all time faves from ya \o/
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