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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
boobsploitation
So i never understood the fuzz about choosing boobs as a motif. Nude bodies have always been part of art. Also boobs are a thankful motif, as they keep one motivated to continue and finish a picture. Actually i adore and worship the female body. For me, nothing does feel wrong about that. But i somehow feel like there's a lot of mental masturbation going on. So feel free to bring your arguments against boobs forward. Maybe some nice drama will develop from that!
And yes, of course i'll continue drawing boobs, don't bother :-) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Well, sexual identity is part of the absurdity of truth. E.g. Baudrillard promotes the use of objectivism to analyse and challenge art. It could be said that the characteristic theme of the works of Joyce is the common ground between society and class.
The subject is contextualised into a Baudrillardist simulation that includes reality as a paradox. But Sartre promotes the use of objectivism to show sexual identity.
If one examines pretextual theory, one is faced with a choice: either reject the conceptualist paradigm of reality or conclude that sexuality has objective value, but only if consciousness is interchangeable with narrativity; otherwise, we can assume that sexuality is impossible.
It could be said that the example of constructive narrative intrinsic to Ecos The Name of the Rose is also evident in The Aesthetics of Thomas Aquinas, although in a more self-sufficient sense. Humphrey states that we have to choose between textual postmodern theory and the semioticist paradigm of reality. |
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Beastifire
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Registered: Mar 2013
Posts: 40 |
I guess the main argument against is that they will serve to shut out women and perhaps gay people from the scene. There was some earlier Algorithm demo with porn animations where people voiced their objections and said that they can't show this demo to their wife, and the boob pics can be seen as a part of this problem. Since we're not basement-dwelling geek teenagers any more, we should really be more open to different people that might be interested in demos and other scene productions.
@Jailbird Yeah, The Postmodern Generator is lots of fun, right? I've studied some humanities stuff and these people really write like this.. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Does nudity shut out women or gay people from any other part of life? If something is tasteless or uninspired, I'd guess it shouts out everyone who has an ability to objectively judge a medium, regardless of gender or sex-orientation. If the nudity is graceful and aesthetically pleasing, what's the harm really?
Porn, well, that is another story, but I don't see too much obscene/pornographic scene productions nowadays anyway. |
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Beastifire
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Registered: Mar 2013
Posts: 40 |
Both nudity and pornographic materials create a sexualized, objectifying, and hetero-normative atmosphere. The girl pics have heavy makeup and their tits out, because they're sexualized objects. Any pictures of the sceners that made the demo will typically show their faces only, because they're subjects. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Do not reply to this thread, it's a booby trap! |
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ron.sos
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 13 |
The human body is the greatest work of art in the world!
And the female body is the greatest of the greatest! |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: Both nudity and pornographic materials create a sexualized, objectifying, and hetero-normative atmosphere. The girl pics have heavy makeup and their tits out, because they're sexualized objects. Any pictures of the sceners that made the demo will typically show their faces only, because they're subjects.
Yep, but that is not a scene-only phenomenon, we are basically a small-scale projection of any general male-influenced faction from a modern society. If heavy makeup and tits out is an encouraged, approved and often utilized public appearance of a woman, no wonder we're mimicking it.
That said, in my experience the demoscene in general is quite accepting when it comes to female (or LGBT or any kind of non-male/non-heterosexual) sceners, so I don't think that the nudity in releases is an influencing reason of the low number of women on the scene, far from being an important ground of their discouragement. Sexual objectification has a less evident part in our scene than in a summer blockbuster PG movie.
P.S: the only reason I don't prefer C64 boobs is because the low resolution. Bring'em detailed, I say! |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705 |
I would add that its each to their own. Dont know what other people think, but i do things the way i want to without considering satisfying others. If that gets low votes because of this, then so be it. I dont care :-). I dont need to satisfy homosexuals by creating demos featuring man pics just the same as i dont need to satisfy straight perverted people with porn pics :-) i do this because i want to . |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
I dont think theres automatically something wrong with nudity, but arguing that this kind of thing has always existed in art doesnt really make it ok when throughout the same period of history, women have always been treated as second class citizens.
As for the claim that people pixel naked women because they adore the female form, why do most of the naked girls seen on the C64 look like theyve had implants or suffered various unnatural forms of digital manipulation before being converted into pixels? Or why do they generally look poised for sex or ready to give a blow job? Very few C64 pictures depicting naked women come across as a celebration of female form, they more come across as a celebration of the content of misogynistic lad mags.
I would question anyone claiming that it doesnt turn women away from the scene. if an awesome demo was full of digitally enhanced naked men, can we honestly say that no-one would down vote it, or at the very least, make some comment about how the penises made them uncomfortable? Bear in mind that to put things on a truly equal footing, it wouldnt just be one demo, it would be a steady stream of demos over a long period of time with a few forums posts along the way asking whats wrong with dicks in demos anyway?
Oh and one more point, does the C64 scene NEED anymore pixelled breasts? How much further can naked women be taken? Isnt it nice to see a little variety? Its not very creative to just find a picture of a woman that you find hot and create a pixelled version of it.
Its 2013 (almost 2014!) and creativity with computers is no longer a field dominated by 13 year old boys. Excitement over (and arguments trying to justify) pictures converted from the pages of FHM just make us look like a sad, closed, mens' club. |
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