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2004-03-02 10:54

Spectator
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Floppy 2004 demos

I'm suprised not to find a thread about this yet.

Anyways, the WD demo definitely was my favourite, go WD! Especially the music. ;)

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2004-03-03 20:34

drake
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Registered: Dec 2002
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*sigh.......

2004-03-03 20:47

blackdroid
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Quote: Plural form - the coders of Cycle. :) I tried to idle, I really did!

He did say more experienced :)

2004-03-04 08:59

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
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I think that this year's floppy, is a milestone in the c64 demo style, it all started with hollowman a few years ago, and now we are there, lets call it new newschool or something :) In a way the demo design became grown up, look at oldschool or newschool demos, they are outdated. Now we reached up to the standarts of the PC scene. We have quality, fresh ideas, we could get away from the roots. What do you think ?

2004-03-04 09:08

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

Quote: I think that this year's floppy, is a milestone in the c64 demo style, it all started with hollowman a few years ago, and now we are there, lets call it new newschool or something :) In a way the demo design became grown up, look at oldschool or newschool demos, they are outdated. Now we reached up to the standarts of the PC scene. We have quality, fresh ideas, we could get away from the roots. What do you think ?

I think that, with all due respect, it wasn't just Hollowman who started it. Take a look at Rewinder X - not too many people claim to like it, yet a lot of stuff is influenced by it. Also don't forget the Wrath guys!

Also I feel that it's starting to lose its edge, maybe because "everybody" is doing it, but not always right. Sure, I prefer this style to that of a few years ago (hell, I helped originate it), but there is so much more 'we' can do. Time to take a new direction, me thinks.

As for my views on the Floppy demos, I'm writing the new Dark Court as we speak :)

2004-03-04 09:08

Dane
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Registered: May 2002
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Quote: He did say more experienced :)

Aha, and although I'm...experienced when it comes to some things, sadly enough coding is still news to me. I only know digis and sideborder. :D Have to start taking those nightly classes from Puterman!

2004-03-04 09:13

MagerValp

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1074

The twister in Cycle sure as hell made my day. Awesome.

2004-03-04 09:26

Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338

Quote: I think that, with all due respect, it wasn't just Hollowman who started it. Take a look at Rewinder X - not too many people claim to like it, yet a lot of stuff is influenced by it. Also don't forget the Wrath guys!

Also I feel that it's starting to lose its edge, maybe because "everybody" is doing it, but not always right. Sure, I prefer this style to that of a few years ago (hell, I helped originate it), but there is so much more 'we' can do. Time to take a new direction, me thinks.

As for my views on the Floppy demos, I'm writing the new Dark Court as we speak :)

May I just say: "Panoramic Designs"? Thanks.

2004-03-04 09:44

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

Quote: May I just say: "Panoramic Designs"? Thanks.

Sure, but remember: between their last work and the re-emergence of 'different' demos lies of a period of 6,7 years in which virtually nothing happened, until it got kickstarted a few years ago with demos by Triad, Wrath and Focus.

PD is for sure a big influence on me personally, as I've also written about in Vandalism News a while ago, and the 'angst' they so strongly broadcasted can be felt throughout a lot of Hollowman's demos as well. Still I think it's too easy to just claim he's following their road, after all "angst" is an universal theme, grunge was based on it, lots of the lyrics I've written in the past are based on it, etc.

The "animations + pictures + soundbites, all referring to the same theme" style that is so popular now (and on which I almost feel Wok Zombie is a persiflation, albeit a very cool one) can be followed back to King Fisher's legendary demos, which in turn were based on the U2 ZOO stuff and can also be seen in a lot of other-platform demos.

It's not a matter of just pointing in one direction (Hollowman or PD) and saying: "there's the source!", there are a lot of different sources. And as one of the sources we in Focus claim our share too, but that doesn't mean we deny that we have had our own sources as well, we just added our own flavour to it. Like Hollowman does. Like Wrath does. Like you do. After all, a lot of us are 'creative' in different areas as well, you with your animation work etc., Sander finished his art-school a couple a'years ago, some of the Wrath guys are very active in the art scene, I've been writing 'deep' lyrics for a long time, etcetera. And the best of us (meaning not just the people I mentioned here, others as well) take that with us to the c64 and create something different. The rest just look and try to copy it, without bringing anything new.

I could go on and on about this, as it's been a point of discussion lots of times between Sander & me. But that would mean derailing this thread even more, plus probably getting myself attacked once again, because we all know it's "bad" to claim you're different right? :)

2004-03-04 10:12

Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338

Did I say we owe it all to Panoramic? No.

Did I claim Hollowman was following "Panoramic's road"? No.

Do I think Panoramic should be mentioned when talking about this sort of thing? Hell yes.

2004-03-04 10:16

blackdroid
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Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: Aha, and although I'm...experienced when it comes to some things, sadly enough coding is still news to me. I only know digis and sideborder. :D Have to start taking those nightly classes from Puterman!

just a friendly reminder, when he starts talking about "dungeons" he is not refering to dungeons and dragons, so have some good excuses handy like "I forgot my diskbox at home" etc.