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Celtic
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tagging your logos and pictures.
Well, i was wondering about something lately, why does everyone need to put a tag (label, his her name, whatever) inside or next to their pictures and logos.
To me nowadays (i used to do it back in the day) it seems inproper and unstyled, often making a picture looking unbalanced or sometimes even ugly. i was just wondering what you thoughts on this were.
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Puterman
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Matt, I understand what you're saying. And sure, if you're so desperate to get recognition for what you do, that you can't trust people to read the note to find out who drew that 3 colour logo, tag it. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Matt:
>>hey, and comparing the c64 scene to picasso is right on.
Eh, excuse me? How can you compare a complete scene to just one person? Picasso was a brilliant painter for sure, but there have been hundreds of thousands not-so-brilliant ones as well.
Just because you're part of the c64-scene, which indeed has given us some wonderful stuff in the past, doesn't make you an artist yourself.
>>it's only lame and unprofessional when it's gaudy and out of place, or overbearing or obviously too self indulgent. but when it's that little touch at the side, like the great masters, it looks good
Like the great masters? Great masters stood for innovation, and be honest, our scene is not exactly flooded with that.
And no, putting even more sprites in a multiplex is not innovation :)
Most logo's SUCK and are not worth tagging. The quality of logo's was somewhat high in the early 90's but some of the stuff I see these days makes me cringe. If I was the painter of such a logo, I would lie and put the blame on Sander.
Who by the way is one of the few people nowadays who has a reason to tag his work. |
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Celtic
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Well, just a little reply to marco.
IN a way he is right, some stuff don't deserve the tagging nowdays. and i miss those great old school logos from the great folks. However, do not say sander is the only one, there are more that deserve the respect.
TO this subject, i stopped tagging my logos because i think they were annoying to my gfx. And to be honest some off my work isn't worth to be tagged...
ah well, i like the discussion here, anyone else got something to say on this?
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Cupid
Registered: Jan 2002
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Ah the good old days when logos were really good and releases were bold and beautiful.
I think there are still outstanding people who o outstanding logos these days. Back in the "good old days" a lot more good people made logos and pictures. Nowadays those good people do other creative work, may it be online or offline.
I do see a lot of crappy releases and pictures and logos these days as well, but one thing keeps me from cringing: those people still do something for the c-64 and with a little help, some tools and some ideas they can be become a lot better. Really good people doing nothing but talking about the good old times are as useless to the scene than people releasing bad quality.
Don't get me wrong, I still consider Sander an amazing designer. Old stuff by die2, double artistry, electric and all the others is still great, but for the sake of releases and keeping this scene bit going I rather shut up, and do something, than improving my bits for monthes and try to be new and innovative and never release anything in time...
I begin to think that C-64 will never be a platform for "design" rather for "technical amazement in a nice wrapping"...
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mindflow
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...and I recommend the book "no logo". |
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T.M.R
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Quote: ...and I recommend the book "no logo".
Why? =-) |
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TDJ
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Celtic:
Ofcourse Sander isn't the only one, that's why I said "one of the few". And no, I don't consider myself one either, although you don't have to be a graphician to be an artist in the scene.
Cupid: I don't mind people doing bad graphics, but don't mind me slagging it off either. And as far as your remark about the 'just talking about the good old times and not doing anything else': quality-wise I don't consider them that good anymore (I prefer the more interesting concept-driven demos of today). Also I remember a small demo called Timewaster we released last year which, I think, took a pretty different approach to c64 demos. Which is what we're trying to do these days, explore the boundaries of c64 demos. And by we I don't mean just Sander. It's easy to think that since he's the designer all idea's are by him but in reality it's more 50-50.
I'm getting a bit sick of the "stop giving your opinion and do something productive" routine, esp. when it is clear that I am being productive (still, after 15 years of demo coding - how many more people do you know who have been here this long?). Plus even if I was not active I still had a reason to state my opinion: it's called expertise. Experience. You know, there's a reason why they ask ex-professional football players to analyse games.
And even if I didn't have this track-record that I have, I *still* would give my opinion, because, ehm, nobody can stop me?
Finally my statement to tagging (because I never made one, I just said that comparing all sceners to Picasso is nonsense): I don't care. An ugly logo will still be an ugly logo, with our without a tag. But don't compare logos to paintings because a painting is something which needs to stand on its own: the credits for a logo can easily be put somewhere else, like somebody already stated.
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Cupid
Registered: Jan 2002
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For the love of god, would you guys PLEASE stop bitching about the picasso comparison? This was a mermaid quote only, so talk to her about it...
No logo is a good book, that's for sure. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: For the love of god, would you guys PLEASE stop bitching about the picasso comparison? This was a mermaid quote only, so talk to her about it...
No logo is a good book, that's for sure.
Ehm no, I reacted to Matt's statement. Who said that that Mermaid's statement is right on.
But you know what, I stop bitching about Picasso (as if I have more to bitch about) if you stop bitching about people talking but not doing anything, because frankly I'm getting sick of hearing it. Then we can both go back to creating our 30+ almost-exactly-the-same-but-not-quite c64 products per year. Deal? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Also one other thing, to everybody here: don't hold the fact that I think Sander is an artist against him. If you just think he's a pretentious twat, that's okay, in a way he is. And so am I. That's why we work together so well.
Hey, at least *I* am being honest about it :) |
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