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2018-02-24 12:38
Shine

Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 388
Comparison of C64 Music Editors by JCH

http://chordian.net/c64editors.htm
 
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2018-03-05 16:01
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523
looks like i remembered that wrong, it still cant do midi... oh well :)
2018-03-08 12:54
JCH

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 200
Regarding NTSC support, I thought it would be enough if I can run an editor 60 times a second in addition to 50 and then Bob's your uncle.

But reading the defMON wiki, I can see that a different frequency table is also needed to have true NTSC support? Is this always true? If so, it would make it harder to determine whether an editor truly supports NTSC.
2018-03-08 17:31
Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 425
Yes, NTSC needs a different frequency table.
But it doesn't matter all that much, a lot of tunes use the wrong frequency table, either because the tables in the C64 manual were wrong (US manual was translated to various languages and the table was not adjusted) or because they took them from the wrong source, e.g. the SID datasheet, which was based on an exact 1MHz clock.

Detuned SID music is very common and purely exists to annoy Reyn and other people with perfect pitch hearing. :)
2018-03-08 19:43
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1661
http://unusedino.de/ec64/technical/aay/c64/sidmth.htm
2018-03-08 21:12
JCH

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 200
Quote: Yes, NTSC needs a different frequency table.
But it doesn't matter all that much, a lot of tunes use the wrong frequency table, either because the tables in the C64 manual were wrong (US manual was translated to various languages and the table was not adjusted) or because they took them from the wrong source, e.g. the SID datasheet, which was based on an exact 1MHz clock.

Detuned SID music is very common and purely exists to annoy Reyn and other people with perfect pitch hearing. :)


LOL!

OK, thanks for clearing that up.
2018-03-08 21:38
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
DMC5.0 subtunes. Try with (shift m) if I remember right. There should be tunes 1 to 0 (on numeric keyyboard). That should be 10 subtunes.
2018-03-09 09:08
JCH

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 200
That's spooky. Thanks, I'll add it.
2018-03-11 18:24
GH
Account closed

Registered: Sep 2014
Posts: 77
Nice to see everything is so well categorized. Splendid job and much appreciated :D

Will there be a comparison of the different Filter tables and possibilities each editor as well?
While I know JCH, Virtuose and Goat by now, DMC still confuses me or Let's just say it's
abracadabra :D And it seems i'm not the only one...

What about 1 example made in JCH that is shown for every other editor with the (almost) the same outcome ?
2018-03-11 21:01
JCH

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 200
Thanks, well, the table already goes into meticulous detail and going into even more detail would move it into documentation country. I have to draw the line somewhere.
2018-03-11 22:33
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
Sorry for wrong info. Just got my hands on DMC today. It's 0-7 (8 subtunes)
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