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goto80
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 138 |
timeline of SID achievements
I'm looking for a timeline of SID achievements. Does this exist? A list of important software (trackers and non-trackers, midi-sequencers and midi-slaves, sample-players and "drum machines", generatives, remix-tools, etc) and SID-tricks (playing digi-stuff, multispeed, hardrestart, etc). Who, where, when, how, why. I think a timeline over these things would be important to put together, if it doesn't already exist.
(I work on a timeline of chip music in general here: chipflip.wordpress.com/timeline. It is far from finished, of course. Suggestions are very welcome)
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347 |
I'll add another one.. sonix systems who did the music for turbo charge / system 3.. (great team whoever they are ;-) ) 5 channels ingame (?)
maybe others did that before and maybe not..
although when I heard for 4 sound channels on agent x on the spectrum, by Tim Follin.. I was WTF.. grainy sound, but I was impressed.
Galway did a fair bit with the 1 channel speccy chip..e.g. check ping pong etc. (pre AY chip.. save the hate mail, I know it's not a 64 ;-) hehe)
I'd mention things like JT's turbo outrun music etc. Wonder which game used the most samples.. well perceived anyway.
maybe things like Hubbards, mix-e-load are worth a mention.. that was in delta right?
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goto80
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 138 |
So, the simple answer to the hardrestart question then, is 1986 with Winterberg & Galway, but that excludes some previous works such as Starquake that might not be 1x. ?
New Question: Does anyone know what happened around the time Soundmonitor was released? Was this really the first tracker? (in general, not only C64)
@rambones: /MUSICIANS/B/Banana/Jammaster_III_Demo.sid - this is not 3 channels of samples, or, uh?
@chancer:
yeah, interactive or generated music is definitely interesting for this. there are some stuff where pattern/channels are re-arranged (delta, lazy jones, endless trip, to be on top, and many more i guess). but personally, i think it's more interesting with more detailed interaction or algorithms. you know, stuff where you can really hear/see that every execution is different. block acid dub, maybe? but...
- btw, do you know of any speccy-audio-nerds to ask about these things?
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Yes, soundmonitor is the first tracker.
Hmm i have sprung a leak..
Jammaster III demo is just 1 chn it seems.. what is special about this player is that it plays samples forward/backwards in 16 different speeds..
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790 |
@goto80: This Hungarian thingy for the ZX81 is a duration based editor/sequencer (for external synths) ca 1983:
http://www.sinclair.hu/speccyalista/konyvtar/kezikonyvek/MUZIX8..
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347 |
well goto..
maybe you'll like
http://www.worldofspectrum.org/projectay/
(I know I should hang my head in shame posting a speccy link ;-) ) it's like their version of HVSC.. hopefully tim hasn't been on it..aggh!
errm I had a speccy when it was pre AY chip.. so it was the pizzo bleeper aka 1 sound channel..
I'm pretty sure Galway was one of the first to do amazing things and of course Follin and plenty more.. check his ping pong tune and be amazed.. Things like gyroscope used fast switching to appear as multi-channel.. they even had a thing out called "wham the music box" which you can get at WOS also. I'm pretty sure that gyroscope was one of the first to use that effect.
but if you contact WOS etc.. there are a few there that will be of help, who are FAR better clued up.
I was just trying to think of a list of things that used samples.. hmm last v8, suicide express, exploding fist and of course ghost busters.. I'm pretty sure that last one had speech on all formats (although I maybe wrong) |
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Turtle
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 70 |
Quote: Yes, soundmonitor is the first tracker.
Hmm i have sprung a leak..
Jammaster III demo is just 1 chn it seems.. what is special about this player is that it plays samples forward/backwards in 16 different speeds..
From the deep dumps of my mem I recall some read that the lead part of Ballblazer's titlemusic is done using some sort of meldodic algorithm to sound different each time. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Hard restart: it seems we cannot say with 100% certainty who did it first.. Laxity informed me that JCH got help to do it from him, and that he himself peeked, maybe at Bjerregaards player..
So, who did it, remains a mystery. |
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GT
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Registered: Sep 2008
Posts: 308 |
Define "Hard Restart"? Funny word by the way. I just wonder, because I just looked at it as clearing the Release in the gate off call, to get a more stable attack. You can even add other methods than just clearing the release to get stable ADSR inits. That's a secret. hehe. ;-) |
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GT
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Registered: Sep 2008
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Hubbard's Zoids player has a hard-coded ADSR change on the gate off call, if no tie-note is chosen by the way. He was probably the first. He was also the first with waveform-table drums, that sounded good. Looks like Hubbard knew what he was doing. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
The fact that not only (R)elease affects the internal envelope counter, but all of the ADSR parameters, and that you can also use the testbit to achieve snappier sounds in a usueful way in some cases is pretty much public knowledge I guess.. Dunno if that was what Geir was referring to, in general, or if it was something more specific...
I also know that setting a higher release than the currently active one (if the release phase is the currently active phase) will make the sound silent immediately (at least I read that somewhere - I should check it I guess).... Maybe that is useful for "hard-restarting" too?
Hmhmh... |
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