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Fredrik
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Vice or CCS64
Witch of them two programs do you use, if you want to play demos on you pc?
I have tried them both and the sound is more accurate in Vice than in CCS64.
Do you think the same?
Do Vice have another "sidgenerator" that the CCS64?
(And of couse, the real 64 is the best way to look at demos)
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MagerValp
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As rx says, the monitor is really for debugging. Using an emulator implies crossdev, and there are much nicer ways of entering data than bashing it out straight in the monitor.
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Skate
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@assiduous: Hoxs is good at VIC emulation but unfortunately I expect more from an emulator, specially for development usage. I know there were (and probably still are) some bugs in Vice which Hoxs didn't have. But this is not enough for me and for many others. What you call "eye candies" are all required features. If it's useless for you, it's useful for someone else. |
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assiduous
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@Skate: i never said Hoxs was good for development usage,it probably isnt. all i said is that the emulation in Vice is NOT more reliable than in the other emulators. read my previous post again keeping in mind that Tonhuvudet asked about an emu for "playing demos". |
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Fredrik
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But the question is:
When you look/hear the new demos presented in releases in this webpage, how many of you use a emulator and how many of you transfer the file to a real 64?
To do the demo justice, you should transfer the file to your 64.
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assiduous
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i do both,depends on the demo. all are watched in the emulator,the selected ones on the real deal aswell. |
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Fredrik
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Yes, i do the same as you.
If it is "great stuff", then I view the on the 64.
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Oswald
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Quote: @assiduous: Hoxs is good at VIC emulation but unfortunately I expect more from an emulator, specially for development usage. I know there were (and probably still are) some bugs in Vice which Hoxs didn't have. But this is not enough for me and for many others. What you call "eye candies" are all required features. If it's useless for you, it's useful for someone else.
Quote:As rx says, the monitor is really for debugging. Using an emulator implies crossdev, and there are much nicer ways of entering data than bashing it out straight in the monitor.
bad excuse: debugging more often than not involves changing code/data on the fly. anyways do you think I'd like to use vicemon to write some code ?! :) furthermore it would take not more than a few days to allow the cursor wander around, and parse the actual line, rewrite parser to be not so picky about spaces and letter case.
just think about it, you list some code, then sudden idea comes: lets change the $d021 color in the raster code. no you cant just go there with the cursor and rewrite it. you have to check for the lda #$00 address, then add 1 to it, then enter > address+1 color or was it > color adress+1? awkward solution. do you really think it wouldnt be easier to have a walkable cursor and press enter anywher?
ps: great, impossible to remove wrongly quoted post. perff ? |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
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As I do spend quite a bit of time working in the VICE monitor, any improvement is welcome, but I think your seriously underestimating the work needed to make it a screen editor. Basically you'd have to chuck out all the code it uses today, as it's based on the native command line based widgets available (be they the terminal or a pop-up window). The reason cartridges have a screen editor is of course because that's what the C64 kernal provides. Modern OS:s use a command line interface, so that's what's available to applications that don't want to write their own from scratch. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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I guess its not a problem dropping in a textbox, because modern OSes dont support that :) Modern OSes use a GUI (too) anyway and not commandline :P
what we have already:
- the command parser is in there
- printing new line of dissasembly, memory dump, etc is in there
all it roughly needs is:
- add textbox
- fire parser on line where enter was pressed
- add function to scroll up down & print new line when textbox boundary reached with cursor.
doesnt looks very hard to me. ofcourse I'm lame for C, so I cant do it :P :/.... |
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Wile Coyote
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VICE (if there's no real C64 hardware available)
VICE set to:
Screen - Double Size
Screen - Double Scan
Screen - PAL Emulation
looks good :)
The only down-side to VICE is the audio - picture sync, as its out by a fraction, making some demo's not look as good as they could
Also, VICE has a habit of turning off True Drive Emu. I'm forever switching True Drive Emu on |
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