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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Proposed rule change
I would like to propose a rule change. If an admin is involved in posting in a thread they are not allowed to use their admin powers to delete posts, issue warnings or lock threads. This would help stop the situations where an admin who loses an argument can abuse their powers to remove the posts they personally disagree with.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
JCB: and have you read carefully what I said? I said that it was mistake (to get involved). He should have done the mod work without commenting.
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Quote: Martin. Moderator evaluates, decides, deletes, gives a reason for deletion. That is how it works. What new rule are going to propose? That moderators should vote on every "deletion"?
And as far as your posts in that thread are concerned. Be so kind and don't start the whole debate again. It's pointless.
You don't seem to understand how moderation works.
I do understand, which is why I proposed the change. When a moderator debates in a thread like a normal poster would, then when they are shown to be wrong, that moderator its not the right person to then make a decision on what is off topic and to delete posts. Obviously because their actions have personal bias.
Can you explain how in a thread about 3D graphics algorithms the RLE approach is off topic? Obviously it is on topic. So obviously it was wrong to delete those posts and lock the thread. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
STE'86, you are partially right. After you get involved, it seems that you are abusing your rights. Especially when there is an argue. Therefore it's best to do what you consider right, because if you choose to get into argument with users it's a way to that hell that happened in that thread. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: JCB: and have you read carefully what I said? I said that it was mistake (to get involved). He should have done the mod work without commenting.
Yes, I read it and yes I understood what you're saying and yes, we still all know how moderation works...
The problem in that thread was nothing to do with it being off topic or not, as has been said, if it was it should have just been deleted then maybe some polite PMs could be sent to sort it out. As it was, it was nothing more than trolling THEN bringing out the moderator card after trying to justify the post. You've only got to restore the posts in that thread to see how ridiculous he made it...
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
can we take it then that groepaz will be discouraged from "getting involved" to euphemistically refer to it in discussions/arguments while a mod then? |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Quote: STE'86, you are partially right. After you get involved, it seems that you are abusing your rights. Especially when there is an argue. Therefore it's best to do what you consider right, because if you choose to get into argument with users it's a way to that hell that happened in that thread.
Actually no. It is better for the mod in the argument to try to debate properly or to stop posting and to not use their powers, or threaten to use their powers. In the particular thread is was all fine and on topic until the mod came along and made an incorrect post which was off topic.
The correct moderation decision should have been to delete the mod's post as off topic and leave the on topic posts, i.e. leave my post and the other posts discussing the on topic RLE method. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: I do understand, which is why I proposed the change. When a moderator debates in a thread like a normal poster would, then when they are shown to be wrong, that moderator its not the right person to then make a decision on what is off topic and to delete posts. Obviously because their actions have personal bias.
Can you explain how in a thread about 3D graphics algorithms the RLE approach is off topic? Obviously it is on topic. So obviously it was wrong to delete those posts and lock the thread.
I agree with the first part. Except of the fact about "moderator proven wrong" it's relative and depends on point of view. Especially on internet where persistence sometimes win over the common sense.
As far as offtopicness is conerned. Moderator decides. That thread was about the 3d card being developed by Stingray. The coder guys were giving him some hints on what features of card they would find useful. Everything else in that thread is more or less oftopic, especially after Stingray stopped posting to it. The purpose of that thread went away. Of course it is just an individual point of view. Mine. According to that I would also consider your posts offtopic. They weren't helping the developer, which was long gone, and they weren't adding value to coders debates either, because that hardware isn't avalable on C64.
And now see what you have done. We are back to debate about your posts. But maybe, now you will at least admit that there was some sense in Groepaz's objections. If not, then there is still that "it's on moderator to decide" option. And that beats all argumentation we have here. ;-)
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
or to put it another way in another place, years ago...
"he was only obeying orders" |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
If a mod is going to just delete things then wtf is the point of anyone ever posting? Some idiot is going to think they know better and PRESTO your post is gone. I understand mods doing that type of stuff with files, might not agree with it sometimes but understand, but just deleting posts??
As I suggested to gropeaz at the time, all a mod has to do is ask people keep it on topic NOT post some sarcastic crap because they know it'll get a reaction (the very definition of trolling)
Offtopicness (sic) in a thread like that, as you've said hardly mattered as most of it was. Or do you guys pay by the word? If not, and it wasn't "Today I went to Zoo!" or something really off topic like that, it should just be left. Who knows, the hardware dev might see it if he picks it up again and decide RLE would be an interesting thing to explore. It sure as crap wasn't hurting anyone. |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Quote: I agree with the first part. Except of the fact about "moderator proven wrong" it's relative and depends on point of view. Especially on internet where persistence sometimes win over the common sense.
As far as offtopicness is conerned. Moderator decides. That thread was about the 3d card being developed by Stingray. The coder guys were giving him some hints on what features of card they would find useful. Everything else in that thread is more or less oftopic, especially after Stingray stopped posting to it. The purpose of that thread went away. Of course it is just an individual point of view. Mine. According to that I would also consider your posts offtopic. They weren't helping the developer, which was long gone, and they weren't adding value to coders debates either, because that hardware isn't avalable on C64.
And now see what you have done. We are back to debate about your posts. But maybe, now you will at least admit that there was some sense in Groepaz's objections. If not, then there is still that "it's on moderator to decide" option. And that beats all argumentation we have here. ;-)
I think you're wrong for the following reasons:
The thread was very much still alive.
The topic of using RLE spans for 3D acceleration are relevant to the developer, it is why I made the post.
Even if the original poster stopped posting the topic of the thread still remains and might be useful to someone else in the future. To delete posts that are on topic and useful is incorrect moderation.
Because the posts were deleted and the topic locked the original poster was not even given a chance to comment on the useful nature of the posts. The first post in that thread by Stingray was in 2004, the last post was in 2010. Judging by the length of time the poster was still posting in the thread you cannot logically claim the poster "stoppoed posting in it". You have to concede that it was perfectly possible Stongray could have seen our on topic posts and come back with more posts regarding an RLE addition to his project.
The mod's post was not useful, it was off topic. The moderator is no longer performing the role of moderator when they make off topic posts in a thread. Ergo they are no longer a moderator per se.
As such there is no logical sense for Groepaz's objections.
You cannot logically fall back to using "it's on moderator to decide" when the moderator has a biased involvement in the thread and is therefore no longer able to perform the role of moderator. |
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