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2003-05-26 20:11

drake
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Registered: Dec 2002
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scene activity

more and more i get the feeling that the my world (the scene) has become smaller and smaller. after a chat with the overkiller it was clear to me that the dutch scene isn't alive anymore and the italian scene either.

but what about the polish scene, the slovak scene and the german scene? how did the c64 survive through all the modern thinkings and technology?

sure as hell i bet the german scene survived because the pc-sceners adopted the c64 on their parties like mekka+symposium.....

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2003-06-04 10:59

Commander
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Yes, people, keep on ragging (no other better word can be used in this forum)!!! Newcomers will be scared and stay away. Really nice attitude in the scene... I told myself not to give any reactions in this forum here anymore, but I thought : let's give a final last word to all these aggressive scene-killer (yes, just like in 1992, it will make the scene smaller again and if we don't watch out, the scene will die/ stop this attitude!).

I keep friends with everybody who likes to be friends. For me the scene was and still is a group of friends like in any hobby. There is competition, but after alll everybody stays friends. That has to be the only attitude in every hobby, also in the scene.

Nowadays it has come so far that I have to avoid people and places on the internet (just like I did for a few years since 1992) because of a so-called elitisch attitude (you're not good in his eyes, so get out of here). I don't like this attitude, and if this was the meaning of this database to be meant for people with such an attitude; then this database is the wrong thing for me.

When people get me informed about "dissapearing of this aggressive attitude", then I will maybe come back to support (as the scene needs support, no wars and so). But if the attitude stays, then I search other ways to keep contact with sceners who like to be friends.

A SHAME ON MANY REACTIONS IN THIS FORUM, IT MAKES THIS DATABASE USELESS...

Have a good ragging time. BYE.

2003-06-04 11:40

T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749

Being lame is one thing, each of us *started* out lame when we first coded our first slightly flickery rasterbar part, painted our first three colour logo that caused blindness in children or composed our first tune that deafened next doors dog, but the important bit is that we got better through practise. The term "retard scene" (one i don't find particularly comfortable, although i sort of see where it came from) is used to refer to people who don't or more importantly *won't* go through that learning cycle.

Saying "it's just a hobby" (not referring to anyone specifically here, it's been said a few times) doesn't hold water; if someone takes up scuba diving as a hobby they tend to expand their abilities as they practice it, record collectors build on their knowledge as the add to their collections, fishermen gain a vast amounts of knowledge about lures and prime locations. It's a natural progression, if nobody in the scene new or old is willing to make *some* progress either on a general or personal scale, is there any point? We may as well forget about the C64 side of things and just socialise.

i do prefer the term "lamer" myself, but that's probably because i'm quite old and set in my ways but it gets the point across. i don't consider myself to be some sort of elite, i'd like to think i'm fairly good at what i do, that i have the occasional burst of something passing for genius which i offset against the more regular bursts of lameness. i'll admit that i recycle routines to get small releases but there's always *something* in those demos that i've never tried before that made it worth my while doing if nothing else. And i'll help people if "life" doesn't get in the way.

On another note, one thing that annoys me is the "I'm taking my ball and going home" approach of ragging and then storming off. It's probably just as bad if not *worse* than calling someone names because it says that you feel superior enough to not even *bother* hanging around to hear people's responses! Teenagers argue like that (see "Kevin And Perry Go Large" for further reference) and i thought we were all a bit more mature than that...

2003-06-04 13:11

Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510

Good point TMR, exactly what I thought to myself. Anyway, I just wanted to point out again, that this Kindergarden attitude bugged me the most. There's nobody "fighting for something" or nothing generously to "forgive"... There are some arguments here now and then, and still I think that we solved most of them pretty peacefully. And if somebody's playing with matches, he's supposed to stand the flames.

Sorry, but am I the only one in here that _doesn't_ feel that aggressiveness here that Nafcom and Commander were talking about? It's just people (and grown-ups at that) talking about various issues. Nafcom and Commander, you should go to comp.sys.cbm to see what "flaming" means! ;-)

If you're participating in this forum, you're expected to deal with open criticism like grown-ups. And sometimes that criticism is justified, I might add. Not that I like the term retard scene too much, it's really politically uncorrect, at least with respect to real "retards" or mentally handicapped persons, how they are nowadys probably referred to.

2003-06-04 15:18

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048

In my opinion, what is killing the scene is lack of communication and feedback. Inability and unwilligness of people to say something. Indifference is what is killing the scene! CSDB is as good as it's users are, if you will leave CMR, who will be here to guard your ideals?

Pople talking about scene, demos, releases (that also means criticism) = scene lives.

2003-06-04 15:28

Slator

Registered: Jan 2002
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Just some small cents,

the good thing that made the scene special was called friendship. You had a competitive scene but based on friendly competition.

there has always been fighting and groupwars or personal wars but that could not spoil anything as you just laughed and that was it.. the ragging in the past was funnier than nowadays, just imagine those nice "we love olav" stuff etc.
you can easily rag someone down now as everybody can paste in one of those big forums. back in the past you had to have some kind of status to reach that big audience :-D

Guess why there are still so many people wasting their time on this "retard" machine ?
maybe because there is still friendship in our beloved hearts (<flame>the scene has even places for meanis and boasters like deadbeat, cupid or amj are accepted</flame> . Other scene "pseudo-scenes" like pc/console whatever are having those nowadys aggressive - "I am the best - fuck the rest" attitude, we do not want that though...

you always had and have the right to speak whatever you want but always keep in mind that it could hit you harder than you wanted it ;-D

a retard opinion from a retard German and retart lamer (hey t.m.r., you are not alone anymore, I am very lame, too)

all get outta my face I dont like you anyways

2003-06-04 15:31

Slator

Registered: Jan 2002
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sorry for the huge amount of typos and nonsense sentenses, I just shouldn't abuse cocaine before writing, sorry

2003-06-04 15:58

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

I think some people confuse 'retard scene' with the whole c64 scene .. although to non-c64 sceners we might be just that ..

Me, I don't care, I've left the scene years ago. Much easier that way :)

And Steppe, no, you're not alone, I do think some people here over-react.

Slator, don't abuse cocaine, share it.

2003-06-04 16:25

Hate Bush

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 461

Zed Yago:
"I like the term "retard scene", because it reminds me of retro. Its a nice aggressive term, like emulamer."

"Emulamer" is a nice term indeed, especially when it is used by people like Murdock, people who cannot prove their supremacy over more skilled sceners otherwise. You've just disappointed me, Zed Yago. I thought that talented people understand that it does not matter which tool (or environment) do you use, but what the effect is. Obviously I was wrong.

Puterman:
"could you please propose a new term that describes people who release crap, are proud of it, have no intention to ever improve, and constantly support each other's crap?"

Crap is a subjective definition. Are you 100% sure your stuff isn't considered crap by other sceners, _not necessarily_ belonging to the so-called retard scene?

CreaMD:
"People talking about scene, demos, releases (that also means criticism) = scene lives."

No. People releasing stuff = scene lives. Think, instead of discussing here, you could have done a tune for Vision 2003. :)
Feedback is welcome, sure, but only if there exists new stuff to comment upon.

Slator:
"sorry for the huge amount of typos and nonsense sentenses, I just shouldn't abuse cocaine before writing, sorry"

Now that's what should meet some criticism. Slator, are you still in primary school, do you really think it is of any interest for anyone? Even if you're joking (and I do hope you are), it's a joke that would only make some white, suburban, teenage shithead laugh.

2003-06-04 16:34

CyberBrain
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Posts: 392

Yes, Slator, you shouldn't do coke! What devilish substance that is! Now please send whatever coke you have left to me, and i will forgive you again. :)

2003-06-04 16:44

T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749

Well i'm posting here in the gaps between coding an entry for Vision, although i'm not sure it's going to get finished in time 'cos i may have come up with a base idea that's a little too involved to code before the end of Thursday (i won't have time on Friday!) S'nothing complex, just fun...

i'll put my hand up now as someone who doesn't take well to criticism (i sulk! =-) but i do understand why it's needed and indeed important because nothing changes without it. Without change, the scene grinds to a halt and you only have to look at the CPC scene where most people just do rasterbar demos for proof, do we want to be like that...?

As for coke, i've never tried sniffing it 'cos i'm worried about the bubbles going up my nose - does it even work with diet...? =-)