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2009-11-18 06:54

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576

Votesystem FAIL

OK, so why the vote system still exists, especially after all the devastating things it produces, is absolutely way beyond me.
It's rarely a representation of an objective, summarized opinion of the community. Either it's a playground for immature ding-dong fights I've had the luck to experience the last time in kindergarten, or it's simply a place for good old fashioned circlejerks.

I second Scout. At least I second the notion that this isn't really a place where I'd like to spend my spare time.

The constant pop-ups of topics considering the defecting vote-system is clearly a sign of something not working here the way it should. And yet, the cry ups keep getting ignored. For years.

Captain obvious is here to present you two options. One is to finally fix it, the other is to remove it for good. The latter one would be probably the best for all of us. And I think I'm speaking in the name of 99% of CSDb users here when I say that. Time to realize we are not IMDb with hundreds of millions of users, where a similar voting model works (more or less). Here, it's flawed and it simply fails on many, many levels

Pretty pretty please. Dudes who make and administer this site. Your work is fucking damn appreciated. I'd suck of all of you without a single second of consideration.

But for fucks sake.

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2009-11-18 16:22

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293

Quote:

But you tend to forget that the current votesystem is causing more problems than it helps. Believe it or not, people have consciousness and feelings. As an example, we have a common friend who takes the votes more seriously than life itself and causes him serious damages from time to time. Ring a bell? And for some reason, I believe he's not the only one.

if you want to do something good, help your common friend to cope with the real world and eventually cure his mental problem. really.

as for the voting, i can only repeat the same thing every time this topic comes up: the whole thing will remain broken if not much more people actually vote - and no whatever new vote system can fix that. (and wether votes are anonymous or not doesnt change anything really).

also the charts on csdb are probably still the best charts the c64 scene ever had. certainly a thousend times better than all the faked bullshit we had in diskmags :o)

2009-11-18 17:35

Zaz
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 33

enthusi's suggestion is a winner. I vote for it.

2009-11-18 17:51

SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238

>Quote:

>But you tend to forget that the current votesystem is >causing more problems than it helps. Believe it or not, >people have consciousness and feelings. As an example, we >have a common friend who takes the votes more seriously >than life itself and causes him serious damages from time >to time. Ring a bell? And for some reason, I believe he's >not the only one.

Whoever said that hit the nail.

If you dont already know, then here is how it is.

I am a child, i need attention, i am autist, i sat with my computer since 1985 every day and made music or collected it. Programming demos on ly has 1 purpose for me, to become medium carrier for my music creations.

Ofcourse i am tied up on feelings, and friendships, and that C64 is a family.

i am not grown up, and i never will be.

I seek feedback that encourages me to try new things, and tell me what is good and bad.

All the comments who are a sing of jealousy or competition feelings, i cant use for anything.

This is not stone age where i only need food and sex to survive, i need to get to level 1 on maslovs pyramid.

I need to realize myself.

I am stuck with the computer, as i am unable to interact with the real world. In fact i can do the real world, but i choose not to, because its even more kindergarten than the scene is, from where i see it.

About the votes i will give an example:

A beginner musician with minimal melodic skills, and 1986 sounds, bad hard restart and several wrong things, get voted 8 for a drum base tune.

Then here i come with 20 years of making tunes, and my tune has a melody that is remembered, long after you forgot the simplistic noisy sid you voted 8 for.

Anyone can hear that i spent 30 man hours doing my tune, and the other guy spent 4 hours, and yet..

And then you vote my work a 6 ?

IT hurts my feelings.

If you dont like it, then either please: say how you think it can be improved, or: stop filling up the comments for a release with negative comments.

What do you want to accomplish by pure negative things ?
feel that you are the master ?
be a judge ?

Why dont you take what i give you: creative work
and give me back: creative feedback

Now geir will slash me for writing all this, but i dont care. i just say exactly what i feel, and if you cant respect this, then i dont care. i know who i am and what i want, and that i must live with being hurt over and over by underage kids who have not as much self insight as me.

:D

2009-11-18 18:25

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

Quote:

[...] stop filling up the comments for a release with negative comments.
What do you want to accomplish by pure negative things ?
feel that you are the master ? be a judge ?

Classics Again

"User Comment
Submitted by Jan Harries [PM] on 29 October 2008
uhm.. the drumbeat is a 1st lesson thing. really uninspiring. the sounds fall over eachother, coz multispeed is not always the solution. i will never listen this again."

Vote: 1/10

That is just one example out of dozens.

Quote:

Then here i come with 20 years of making tunes, and my tune has a melody that is remembered, long after you forgot the simplistic noisy sid you voted 8 for.

What am I supposed to vote for your releases if I compare that Jammer track with your output, huh? :)

No, I am not trying to hurt you, but you should consider performing the art of self-reflection from time to time.

2009-11-18 18:52

SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238

25 october 2008 was a different time.

i was opposed to jammer, i did not see his qualities, i hated newschool.

the message came out wrong, instead i should have been constructive but i wasnt.

what i dont like about you is that you go for the man, and not the content.

you seem overly obsessed with my persona, if you can point out a bug, you will do that, just for your own satisfaction and point the finger : "you messed up! hahaha!" - instead of just listening the music or watching the demo.

you should reflect on that.

best compliment you gave me was for nemesis the wize in private chat when you just cut to the bone and said "it works", and left out all the gritty details.

or when you said my sounds was good.

cause i leeched some knowledge from you, and i thank you for your tips!

some people can guide others along, human wise, and others are so obsessed with technicalities that they reflect those shortcomings onto the other person..

well, as usual i will repeat myself: chat and mail and forum is bad, human wise. it creates kindergarten.

if you really is not an asshole and want to tell me things, or discuss, a phone or real talk on a party is preferred.

i really hate chat/mail/comments, we can never fully express ourself in these media forms, and especially not me.

as far as you an me go linus, we are still on the "misunderstanding" list :D

2009-11-18 18:59

SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238

i take all this very serious, because its my life

maybe you have a job and c64 is a hobby.

c64 is not my hobby, its my life. (music, also outside c64)

2009-11-18 19:01

SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238

<Linus> get a life!

i have a life, its music 20 hours a day and 4 hours of sleep and some coding on the side.

2009-11-18 19:02

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

Quote:

you seem overly obsessed with my persona, if you can point out a bug, you will do that, just for your own satisfaction and point the finger : "you messed up! hahaha!" - instead of just listening the music or watching the demo.

Nopes, I am not obsessed with your persona.

To tell you the truth I think you act completely arrogant and unfair most of the times calling other people`s work worthless, crap and what not while delivering mediocre stuff praising it to death (the only club style sid in existence, opus, etc etc).

That is the only reason for me to point that stuff out.

And for the record ... I never downvoted anybody including you.

2009-11-18 19:23

Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966

Let's all have a group therapy session together, shall we?

2009-11-18 19:25

Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2914

Ah, the thread is ruined.

*plop*