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2003-06-24 14:44

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578

Wiring?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, the english I read here is a bit messy for me to understand. Do I smell someone accusing me that I wire, or the opposite?
Quote from the latest Beergarden.

"Personally I'm a beleiver that 'REAL C64' gfx artist should pixel out the whole picture that they draw. Not wire it from Amiga or PC onto C64 then touch it up in an art package and then lay claim to fame on it.To me this is MIGHTY LAME and for these of you reading who don't know what I'm getting at, then just search your spreads for some recent gfx by JAILBIRD. Study his gfx carefully, they look good don't they..? So they should as wiring doesn't require anyway near the work or effort as does pixelling every dot on the C64."

Hope I just missunderstood these lines, but anyhow, proofs about my cheating would be higly appreciated, all the more as I always (unlike other "artists") prove my C64 handpixelling by numerous work stages.
I don't get why was I picked out nevertheless, wether if the author of the article thinks I cheat or not.

Then, you spend countless hours on minor innovations in c64 pixelling, you dedicate original graphics to the audience, whilst NOt COPYing other graphics artists, you fight on every kind of forums for high class fair-play on pixelling-competitions, or for the workstage-rules, and then you get a nice slap on your face. Well thank you.

My motivation is on the floor and my sadness is really deep. :(((

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2003-06-26 23:50

Deev

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206

Jailbird, I personally think some of the advantages you listed are quite minor and mostly not the sort of thing I would use anyway (keyboard shortcuts, tiling, distortion, colour-picking). Some could be useful, but I believe could pixel the effect better (auto anti-aliasing, transparencies etc.).

To me, the main advantages of GFX2 are these (I think you mentioned most of them already):

- dithered brushes are a godsend! this is the main one for me, as you so rightly say, you can spend hours in funpaint just setting alternate pixels.

- brush sizes of more than one pixel (especially useful to do outlines)

- better copy and paste tools

- my pc mouse is much more natural than an 8-way digital joystick - especially when coupled with a mouse driven interface.

- improved file handling, being able to quickly save regularly.

There's maybe some smaller ones such as being able to replace certain colours, but that's about as far as it goes (maybe I'm not using PC tools to their full potential? :) ). These are nearly all just time-saving advantages. I could create the exact same effect by pixelling in a c64 tool, but it would just take more time.

I don't agree with the Ben Johnson comparison (or the bike arguement) because as I already said, I don't believe it makes the end result any better, it just means I can get there with a little less hardship.

2003-06-27 07:10

blackdroid
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 84

Amica paint rant follows :)

Pattern brushes ( you can make a dithered brush )
Different brush sizes
Mouse support ( get the ps/2 adapter now :)
Fast load/save since the files are generally around 20/30 blocks.

2003-06-27 09:08

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578

I often use quite a lot of the options of GFX2, not because of my lack of knowledge, but as I'm mostly too lazy to do the effects by hand when I have them just a klick away. I could just pixel all the effects better, but basically the automatic play takes off sth like 50% from the ditching with them (using anti aliasing is one of the major things that separates good pixeller from the rookie, and here you get them for free, quite fine anti-aliasing actually if you set the values right). I've seen my brother "pixelling" such things in a combination of Photoshop and GFX2 (not converting stuff, but motives plain from his mind), he would never be able to produce on the c64, perhaps with several years of practice, but probably beat most of us on a compo... And that makes me wonder... Come on, let's just pixel on c64, we'll all be happy and have the same chances and stuff :) What would you do if there was no PC or Amiga?

I'll still prefer worstages and non-moving pictures on parties, that'll eliminate most of the PC pixellers, so do what you want anyway, I don't care really... In fact I'll try to convince Cactus to include a GFX2 pixelling /C64/ tutorial into the next issue of Attitude.

And if you don't agree with me I'll leave the CSDb forum and never come back again, you buch of gay multimedia lovers. You always fight with me, you!

2003-06-27 12:19

Deev

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206

well even with tools such as anti-aliasing, I wouldn't *want* to use them, even if just for a demo pic. It wouldn't feel like it was me who'd done the pixelling if I used techniques like that. Maybe I'm just weird, but I get a sense of satisfaction from making a curve look nice and smooth :) All I want is a way to do what I do, but with a bit more speed and less hassle, which is what I get with the advantages I mentioned above.

I still don't intend using any pc tools for compo pics in the near future, simply because I know so many people still consider it an unfair advantage and I don't want anyone to feel that I've cheated them out of a place. If I finish above you, I want you to know I kicked your arse fair and square :D

Blackdroid, you've just convinced me to give Amica Paint a try next time I'm doing a bitmap :)

2003-06-27 16:02

blackdroid
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 84

heheh well everyone know Amica paint roxors :D now If some valiant soul could enhance the refresh rate id be a happy camper.

2003-06-27 21:05

fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290

you gotta be on drugs.. amica paint? maybe they haven't got to such uncivilised worlds yet, but the lord and father jeevus preaches "Centauri is the way, the truth and the life". And if not, use Advanced Art Studio :)

[awaits Norweigan gfx propaganda right about... .. . now!]

2003-06-27 22:38

blackdroid
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 84

lame.. no comment.

2003-06-28 00:53

T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749

i still live in Paint Magic from time to time, with VidCom to do the attributes later... =-)

2003-06-28 02:34

Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338

<norwegian gfx propaganda> listen you infidels, Zoomatic is the only program and Olav Mørkrid is God </norwegian gfx propaganda>

2003-06-28 11:51

J.T.
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 2

zoom what ? ;)