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2006-06-18 11:27
Bamu®
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The worst music editors?

Which are the absolutely worst music editors for the c64?
(crappy or no interface, huge rastertime usage, stupid handling, ugly bugs, worse hardrestart ...and so on.)
 
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2007-01-03 00:13
Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849
I see what you mean by all the PHA's and PLA's in that player! They use a lot of cycles aparently, which what would of caused those massive raster attacks after every tick!

But I ain't complaining really because I thought your music was quite awesome, judging from the year they were released (1987-88,) even before JCH release his new player, which was in 1988 i think.

Don't forget, JCH used your player quite a few times before he made his own.
2007-01-03 06:27
Laxity

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459
:)

Actually JCH had his own player(s) even before I did and he didn't use my player very many times either. The NewPlayers (and JCH editor) were written later as you say.

87 .. hmm, that's pretty much 20 years ago now.. Amazing how time flies.
2007-01-03 06:55
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409
Hehe. Well, I just converted Nata's 25Hz_4 to a long string of lda#$xx:sta$d4xx so I can learn from his instruments. No PHA/PLA there - and less than 1.5 raster lines for the player :)

pity about the 1k per second of unrolled code....
2007-01-09 18:07
goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 138
DMC wasn't total crap, but that tracking method where effects in the tracks used one line .... that made it quite unfriendly for an innocent young data bitch as myself. I just have to mention MusicBox for Gameboy aswell - a real pain in the ass, atleast the first versions that I tested.. Pure data mongo style! Fuck notes!
2007-01-09 19:18
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879
Quote: My vote for a the crappiest music-editor goes to Future Composer. No editor have ever crashed to me in the same rate as that one. JCH is bad and has a good chance of crashing at times, but Future Composer is the unbeatable #1 in that event. From a pure user perspective, Voicetracker sucks pretty bad too. I could never understand how people could use that interface instead of Music Assembler or Music Mixer (which both are pretty alike, both editor and playerwise).

Concerning voicetracker: Music Assembler was at first not publicly available (Reyn was one of the few who had it, I also had a copy thanks to being in touch with MC that I was not allowed to spread), so I think Polonus came up with Voicetracker instead.
2007-02-20 22:24
mc.usateam
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Quote: Concerning voicetracker: Music Assembler was at first not publicly available (Reyn was one of the few who had it, I also had a copy thanks to being in touch with MC that I was not allowed to spread), so I think Polonus came up with Voicetracker instead.

I had almost forgotten :) *wink*
2007-02-20 22:40
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: I had almost forgotten :) *wink*

Hey man, cool to see you here. How's life?
2007-02-20 23:14
mc.usateam
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After starting to dislike my amiga (shouldn't have abandoned the c64?) I spent a couple of years with bandmembers being drunk 4 times a week in pubs, jumped on the ICT hyped bandwagon and became MCSE, meanwhile kept playing bass/guitar in a couple of different bands, got married, became an average internet junkie playing quake2 and quake3 for quite some years, now play eve-online too much and still do music. Currently work as a network admin in Amsterdam for a living. My face got older in the meantime =)

And how be yee?
2007-02-20 23:23
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879
I've never left the wonderful world of c64 demos (check out Trans*Form from last year) although I've been part of both the amiga & pc scene as well. Studied computer engineering and became a software developer, java style. Started writing rap lyrics in the early 90's, song lyrics in the late 90's but never really got into the 'biz', and wasted way too much energy in the clubbing scene. And guess what? My face got older too, as did the rest of me ;)

You're right though, you should never have abandoned the c64 :)
2007-02-21 08:09
Wisdom

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 90
Polonus had just taken the Music Assembler's player (from some random song probably, not that he owned MA itself) and has written an editor (Voice Tracker) for it.

VTR's user interface badly sucked, that is true, but in the age of "secret" editors and players, that was a gem for some musicians at least, especially for those who were lazy enough not to code a player/editor themselves, like me. :-)

I never liked DMC, though. Eventhough it was more advanced than VTR in player wise, the editor had lacked that certain something to feel comfortable (for me, at least). One good thing about VTR's (actually MA's) player was its less-than-average raster time usage.
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