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2003-01-29 18:35
Dr. Jay
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PAL/NTSC detect

Just wanted to share a quick routine that detects PAL/NTSC WITHOUT using interrupts or latches.

;pal/NTSC detect - 0 = PAL, non-zero = NTSC

palntsc
sei ; disable interrupts
wait
lda $d012
bne wait ; wait for rasterline 0 or 256
wait1
lda $d011 ; Is rasterbeam in the area
bpl wait1 ; 0-255? if yes, wait
wait2
ldy #$00
synch1 lda $d012
cmp #$37 ; top PAL rasterline
bne synch1
lda $d012 ; if next is 0, then PAL
synch2 cmp $d012
beq synch2
lda $d012
cli ; enable interrupts
rts ; return
 
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2010-10-01 16:46
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1787
A quick way to determine the number of cycles per line is to start a timer at raster line 0 then wait until raster line 256 and check the MSB of the timer.
Correctly done (just some inversion) you'll now have the number of cycles directly.

I do this here: http://vice-emu.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/vice-emu/testprogs/V..
modesplit.asm, line 194, function check_time.
2010-10-02 07:04
Graham
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The easiest way to determine cycles/rasterline is to count the rasterlines:

312 rasterlines -> 63 cycles per line
263 rasterlines -> 65 cycles per line
262 rasterlines -> 64 cycles per line

Counting the lines:

w0  LDA $D012
w1  CMP $D012
    BEQ w1
    BCC w0


Result in Akku (low byte of rasterlinecount-1):

#$37 -> 312 rasterlines
#$06 -> 263 rasterlines
#$05 -> 262 rasterlines
2010-10-02 07:19
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1787
It should be pointed out that my routine is designed for the purpose of hardware analysis and emulator evaluation.
I therefor require the number of cycles per line to be measured directly, not relying on the number of raster lines.
That routine should work with any timing encountered as long as there are more than 256 raster lines on the system.

There are no known hardware with timings different from those listed by Graham so normally you can use his method.
It will for almost all intents and purposes be equally accurate and shorter.

EDIT: nojoopa points out that the Drean PAL-N machine has 65 cycles per line and 312 raster lines so my statement about the known machines was wrong.
2010-10-02 09:36
Graham
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BCC should have been BMI
2010-10-02 10:05
Frantic

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I added TLR's and Graham's routines to codebase (the PAL/NTSC detect page) (and changed bcc to bmi).

//FTC
2010-10-02 12:13
Graham
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Slight improvement would be:

w0  LDA $D012
w1  CMP $D012
    BEQ w1
    BMI w0
    AND #$03

#$03 -> 312 rasterlines
#$02 -> 263 rasterlines
#$01 -> 262 rasterlines
2010-10-02 13:55
Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2925
Ancient thread brought back to life, but certainly some excellent examples recently posted. Will work nicely for my NTSC/PAL detection needs, thanks!
2016-09-28 19:13
Sokrates

Registered: Jun 2014
Posts: 7
Enhanced version to differ between PAL and PAL-N. First count rasterlines, then count cycles.

    LDX #$00
w0  LDA $D012
w1  CMP $D012
    BEQ w1
    BMI w0
    AND #$03
    CMP #$03
    BNE detectionDone ; done for NTSC
    TAY
countCycles
    INX
    LDA $D012
    BPL countCycles
    CPX #$5E  ; VICE values: PAL-N=$6C PAL=$50
	      ; so choose middle value $5E for check 
    BCC isPAL
    INY ; is PAL-N
isPAL
    TYA
detectionDone
    ...

Results in the accumulator:
#$01: 262 rasterlines and 64 cycles per line [NTSC: 6567R56A VIC] (OLD NTSC)
#$02: 263 rasterlines and 65 cycles per line [NTSC: 6567R8 VIC]
#$03: 312 rasterlines and 63 cycles per line [PAL: 6569 VIC]
#$04: 312 rasterlines and 65 cycles per line [Drean PAL-N: 6572 VIC]
2016-09-28 21:09
Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1927
Saw your edit on codebase - thanks for that!

Wonder whenever some special fix becomes drean-only or such. Those few more cycles likely only add advantage on calculations for some games, hm?
2016-09-29 02:08
TWW

Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 545
Another version:

    .pseudocommand VSync {
        bit $d011
        bpl *-3
        bit $d011
        bmi *-3
    }

    lda #$ff
    sta $dc04
    sta $dc05  // Latch #$ffff to Timer A
    :VSync
    ldx #%00011001
    stx $dc0e  // Start Timer A (One shot mode (Timer stops automatically when underflow))
    :VSync
    sec
    sbc $dc05  // Hibyte number of counter
    and #%00000011


A now contains the video system as follows:

#0 - NTSC1
#1 - DREAN
#2 - PAL
#3 - NTSC2

Edit: Rectified bug.
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