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Fredrik
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Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 204 |
Vice or CCS64
Witch of them two programs do you use, if you want to play demos on you pc?
I have tried them both and the sound is more accurate in Vice than in CCS64.
Do you think the same?
Do Vice have another "sidgenerator" that the CCS64?
(And of couse, the real 64 is the best way to look at demos)
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078 |
As I do spend quite a bit of time working in the VICE monitor, any improvement is welcome, but I think your seriously underestimating the work needed to make it a screen editor. Basically you'd have to chuck out all the code it uses today, as it's based on the native command line based widgets available (be they the terminal or a pop-up window). The reason cartridges have a screen editor is of course because that's what the C64 kernal provides. Modern OS:s use a command line interface, so that's what's available to applications that don't want to write their own from scratch. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
I guess its not a problem dropping in a textbox, because modern OSes dont support that :) Modern OSes use a GUI (too) anyway and not commandline :P
what we have already:
- the command parser is in there
- printing new line of dissasembly, memory dump, etc is in there
all it roughly needs is:
- add textbox
- fire parser on line where enter was pressed
- add function to scroll up down & print new line when textbox boundary reached with cursor.
doesnt looks very hard to me. ofcourse I'm lame for C, so I cant do it :P :/.... |
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Wile Coyote
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 646 |
VICE (if there's no real C64 hardware available)
VICE set to:
Screen - Double Size
Screen - Double Scan
Screen - PAL Emulation
looks good :)
The only down-side to VICE is the audio - picture sync, as its out by a fraction, making some demo's not look as good as they could
Also, VICE has a habit of turning off True Drive Emu. I'm forever switching True Drive Emu on |
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 97 |
Quote: VICE (if there's no real C64 hardware available)
VICE set to:
Screen - Double Size
Screen - Double Scan
Screen - PAL Emulation
looks good :)
The only down-side to VICE is the audio - picture sync, as its out by a fraction, making some demo's not look as good as they could
Also, VICE has a habit of turning off True Drive Emu. I'm forever switching True Drive Emu on
And here I thought my VICE only did that with the True Drive Emu ;)
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plagueis
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Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 48 |
Tonhuvudet said he watches all demos on the emu and select ones on the real deal.
I am the same way, however once I get a PAL c64 and a monitor that will work with color on PAL mode I will probably view *all* PAL demos as they were intended to be seen. Naturally I can't enjoy many of my favorite demos on the real hardware since they only work on PAL, and my two working c64's are both NTSC.
For the last two years or so I only had the XEM1541 to transfer, but recently I acquired an MMC Replay, which rocks. Now I try nearly everything that has a chance of working under NTSC on my c64 and 1084s. Having that cart makes it instantaneous and effortless...although some loaders don't work with the MMC Replay's SD drive. For those you can of course, easily copy the .d64 to floppy.
I realize many people know all this, but for anyone wondering if the MMC Replay is worth it, I'd say yes.
...for coding, I do use Vice a lot, because I can code for a while and then if I have to run off suddenly, I can just save state without having to rummage through my folders for a .d64 or look for a floppy disk. It's reliable and safe and pays off when you realize you won't lose hundreds of lines of code if a disk goes bad. I still code on the c64 some, but much of my coding is done on Vice. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:It's reliable and safe and pays off when you realize you won't lose hundreds of lines of code if a disk goes bad. I still code on the c64 some, but much of my coding is done on Vice.
and some day maybe you will even find out that using a crossassembler is even more reliable, and much easier and nicer to use than whatever you would be using on that emulated c64 =P |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
I use Vice exclusively. Woe is me!
Vice snapshots FTW!
I wouldnt want to miss the convenience of composing in SDI under Vice. I must have a million .VSF files with SDI worktunestages. Its awesome.
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linde
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 47 |
Quote: VICE (if there's no real C64 hardware available)
VICE set to:
Screen - Double Size
Screen - Double Scan
Screen - PAL Emulation
looks good :)
The only down-side to VICE is the audio - picture sync, as its out by a fraction, making some demo's not look as good as they could
Also, VICE has a habit of turning off True Drive Emu. I'm forever switching True Drive Emu on
The drive emu thing happens to me when i drag/drop or double click-open prg or d64 files, so now I just mount everything with alt+8.
As for the video/sound sync issue... I suggested a video delay option in some vice 2.0 forum thread. It would be great to be able to turn on a 300 ms (or whatever your sound buffer length is) delay to the image when you are watching sync-heavy demos, or what do you think? |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
I remember I've read somewhere Vice's true drive emulation will keep its configuration based on the extension in the next version. so, if true drive emulation is on and you load a prg, true drive emulation may go off (if prg is configured like that) but when you load a d64 again, emulation setting will be on again unless you set it to off manually. |
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ToD
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Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 10 |
I use the xbox vice emu to watch demos, 100% smooth at 50hz as I've never had a pc monitor that did 50hz , infact with gamebase installed on xbox , I use it to play the games aswell :)
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