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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2589 |
WANTED: SYS-lines from common packers
Hi all,
as the problem pops up time and again that cracks are added here with their attribution to a certain group based on the SYS-line, where it turns out that it is just packed with the group's packer, I'd like to request that we gather as much info on such packers as possible with the respective SYS-lines that they produce; the list could then be even added to the csdb rules, to avoid such confusion in the future (at least to be cautious in such cases and look for further evidence).
I've made that mistake myself several times, and it is very frustrating to create entries only to delete them afterwards, because one didn't know.
What do you guys think?
Best,
Bugjam |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
nobody should take what is written in a BASIC SYS line as proof of credit or whatever it may be. I don't think collecting every SYS line generated by whatever cruncher would be useful. just don't rely on them to begin with :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
indeed.... if anything, it only can give hints, and only for stuff released until 1985 or so |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Agreed. Quite a lot of packers were spread/leaked and games packed with them could be done by more or less anyone.
These recent additions f ex were most likely not released by Ikari: Asteroids 64, Frogger, Laser Strike, 1994 - Ten Years After, Starfighter I |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
are you saying those TOSEC names are bullshit? unpossible! |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2589 |
Regarding those IKARI releases, I have already PMed the uploader, explaining the issue.
Of course not every SYS-line needs to be collected; many didn't have the group name in it to start with.
On the other hand, there _are_ legit releases and groups/crackers that used that practice.
But if it's considered a bad idea, fine; so far there seems to be noone with the right knowledge willing to contribute information anway. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:On the other hand, there _are_ legit releases and groups/crackers that used that practice.
as said, mostly 1985ish stuff... a year or two later not so much :) |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2589 |
Yes, but how should people know? |
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Dymo
Registered: Jun 2016
Posts: 120 |
Perhaps a link to a forumpost, in the certain known "packers" particular group.. Before uploading a release by group XXX, please check here:
Or something like that? |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2589 |
That was pretty exactly my intention when opening this thread. :) |
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Xiny6581
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 73 |
Bugjam / Dymo: This sounds very great indeed :)
I think it would be great to make a spunk compatible database too, so we can link it to that database or at least make an export(let us keep this on ice to begin with).
?How about a nice structure like:
<groupname> <sys-line> <packer> <note>
!Eg.
"The New Light" - "sys2064 TNL" <Time Cruncher V5.0> <Earlier cracks from 1989 also used Visiomizer V6.0 and A few cracks from 1992 used a variation of Cruel Cruncher 2.1. Most of the cracks uses Crosslinker V2.0 or Beast Linker>
I really like as much details as possible.
and As mentioned above in the thread it was very common the groups/crackers renamed the sys-line just to make it a bit more personal or/and even modified the packer/linker for their own usages. Still, it's possible to trace-back most of the altered sys-lines, as I have done this many times to allocate fake or re-cracks. :-P
Best regards,
Xiny6581 |
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