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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
Pointless rule-enforcement on CSdb
Okay, you all know how I like CSDb-drama, but usually I don't create any myself, but in this case Groepaz anal-ness about CSDb-rules simply forces me to:
Here's the story: We released the PAL/NTSC version of the NUFLI editor. It pretty much only included the new universal displayer, so we kept everything else the same. However, as I noticed on X while working on Electric's Tiger, it got somehow corrupted, meaning that it would CRASH and DESTROY your picture when you drew with sprites under certain circumstances. I notified Crossbow and he confirmed it and started working on a fixed version, which i tested extensively to make sure it's all A-ok (that's v1.12)
Okay, so I approached Groepaz and asked how to best solve the problem that there's a BROKEN version of our NUFLI editor on CSDb that actually DESTROYS images! I was really willing to play by the rules (=not deleting it and not stealthily replacing it with a fixed version), but whatever I suggested and did (renaming it to "Buggy-ed" so people wouldn't find it, using the "this file is corrupted" feature in the file dialogue), he said it's all not allowed and reversed anything I would try. Now I'm locked out of our own tool and can't edit it, great. Talking about admin power abuse... I dunno what his problem is seriously, sometimes he just loves to piss people off for no reason whatsoever...
Okay, so now there's still the broken v1.11 online which people can happily download. But why the FUCK would anyone want a broken version of a tool that DESTROYS your picture? This is not some 90% party version of a Demo, so what's the fucking point? Okay, so we released it corrupted, our bad. But should we be punished indefinately for it when we FIXED it meanwhile? And why can't I simply use the "this file is corrupted" feature? What's the point being anal about THAT, too? I mean - you CAN still download it and masturbate over a disfunctional c64 tool if that's your sexual preference, but at least you'll know it's br0ken! The *only* hint that it's broken is in the comments, which thank god GroeFaZ didn't delete...
Good v1.12: NUFLI Editor V1.12
Bad v1.11: NUFLI Editor V1.11 [broken] |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485 |
Dekan, I trink I was clear. It is not the question whar Gröfaz means but that you compare Groepaz with Adolf Hitler and his fascist regime. So you offend him. Stop it. Be factual.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:It got reversed without any comment - even though there's no rule saying you can't edit the title to your heart's content!
now why dont you also tell HOW you renamed the entry, and explain how it wasnt a completely stupid idea to do it like this? and yes, if something is SO obviously not how it should be, it would often silently get corrected.
Quote:"(this rule does not apply to replacing broken files with working ones, obviously we hope)"
also look up what the rules tell about the hypothetical case that you dont understand the rules.
for this matter, this rule applies to files which also qualify as beeing marked corrupted - ie actually broken files, not releases someone fucked up. |
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 274 |
lol, now we end up in a na-zi discussion, great... <eating popcorn and sits down to expect more>
maybe alien mindbenders are around?
there have been several really constructive ideas here, let them come true and stop nagging like wikipedia-idiots |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
Quoting GroepazQuote:It got reversed without any comment - even though there's no rule saying you can't edit the title to your heart's content!
now why dont you also tell HOW you renamed the entry, and explain how it wasnt a completely stupid idea to do it like this? and yes, if something is SO obviously not how it should be, it would often silently get corrected.
Dude, learn to read before telling others what to do:
Quoting DeeKay
but whatever I suggested and did (renaming it to "Buggy-ed" so people wouldn't find it, using the "this file is corrupted" feature in the file dialogue)
Quote:Quote:"(this rule does not apply to replacing broken files with working ones, obviously we hope)"
also look up what the rules tell about the hypothetical case that you dont understand the rules.
for this matter, this rule applies to files which also qualify as beeing marked corrupted - ie actually broken files, not releases someone fucked up.
Aha, that's good to know... Maybe you should actually write that then, cause for simpletons like me this sentence is rather obvious: A broken file is one that doesn't work and a working one is one that does. It's really that simple out here in non-collector's-land!...
Communist: I'm offending him??? Gee, I had no idea!!!! OMG!... Thanks for warning me! |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485 |
Yes, I am a kind guy. Now you can't say you didn't know. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
This is just stupid. Every site has rules made to follow. Whether you like them or not doesn't really matter. If you're going to use the site, follow the rules. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
I think the rules are for us, and not we are for the rules. I guess this issue could've been solved in 3 minutes, if Groepaz would have been a bit more constructive. |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
Quoting ZyronThis is just stupid. Every site has rules made to follow. Whether you like them or not doesn't really matter. If you're going to use the site, follow the rules.
Dude, like said before: There are neither rules for re-naming entries nor *specific* rules as to what the "file is corrupt" feature (and the respective part in the rules!) are for!
If you're gonna be anal about the rules, so be it, but then you need to make sure they spell out EVERYTHING in detail before accusing people of not following them!
And if the rules aren't clear on some matter or there are no rules, is a little cooperation and dialogue really too much to ask for? |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485 |
Oswald: Yes, you are right, the rules are for the users, for whom else ? |
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Marauder/GSS
Account closed
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 224 |
small things can lead to big dramas here, that's why I love CSDb... (c:
Actually I think renaming the title to "xxx (broken)" and using production-notes/goof to give a hint about the bug is a good solution, though maybe "(buggy)" would be better as "(broken)". IMO a broken/corrupt file is a file that does not run (due to missing or corrupt file/s), where a bugged version is still running having some bugs in functionality.
Also versioning is not the solution as rambones stated a few posts before. Is this sourceforge here? How many releases out of the +90.000 do really need versioning? Can I add work-stages for a demo then as well? like demo v0.9, demo v.95, demo v1.0, demo v1.1?
Anyway, sometimes I wish the moderators would deal such cases a bit more "friendly" so that both sides are happy, the moderators and the users... I mean we are all a 64 family here, aren't we?
so let's do a group hug... Mermaid where are u?! :D
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